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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #135 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:47pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:37pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm:

A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.

What about single parents?

When a child is deprived of the love of both parents in their daily lives it is always cruel ad highly damaging to the child. Sometimes it can`t be helped, but to plan for this result is selfish and callous

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Reply #136 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:47pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:46pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:44pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:41pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:37pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm:

A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.

What about single parents?

Sometimes single parents can't be helped.
There are some tragic stories.

However single parents of shyte teenage bogan mums? Whole new ball game.

What about single mums by choice? Access to IVF is allowed for single women and lesbians, you know - it is actually legal for a lesbian woman to have IVF then go home to raise the child with her partner.

I don't agree with it.
IVF should be for a stable married couple in my opinion.

I grew up in a family of a stable background and I have no doubt it is because of that I have become the person I am today.

Agreed!

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #137 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:48pm

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:45pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:31pm:

I don't care if you are gay or not, you can have an opinion - but I like to hear proper reasons for peoples opposition, not just 'Its wrong and they cant adopt kids' because that's not a very good argument.

These are the facts:

There are very good straight parents out there
There are very poor straight parents out there
There are very good gay parents out there
There are very poor gay parents out there.

No parent is worse than another, and no one should be presumed to be a bad parent - especially when they haven't been given a chance to prove their skills as a parent.

Allow gays to become parents, leave it a few years then see how well they are doing - only then would you have something legit to argue.

Vanessa for the next GG. Shocked

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You have really, truly thought this out, Vanessa?

It has NOTHING to do with a person's sexuality. It is about ADOPTION.

How many children have you had, Vanessa? Who looks after them? Would you give one of yours away to somebody who needed a baby more than you do?

Look at the problem from outside the square.

How many children come up for adoption, annually? Who wants a 5+ year old? Most people would want a new-born. How many of those are there that are available for adoption?

I would suggest that those couples who go through IVF will end up thoroughly disappointed.

Why can't people just realise that they left their run too late and they will remain childless? It WAS the CAREER that stopped them trying to have kids while they were young (and in love) wasn't it?

Sometimes it is a career that prevents a woman from having a child - but that is her own fault. IVF is usually helpful for those who have tried for years to have a baby but couldn't. It is the last resort, and while it isn't always successful, it has brought joy into so many peoples lives - as it results in a baby.

Adoption is a problem, because yes, most people want a newborn, which is sad, as there would be many five year olds out there desperate for a mother and/or father, and they are ignored for a cute and cuddly newborn.

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Reply #138 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:50pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:47pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:37pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm:

A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.

What about single parents?

When a child is deprived of the love of both parents in their daily lives it is always cruel ad highly damaging to the child. Sometimes it can`t be helped, but to plan for this result is selfish and callous

Parents can get divorced - then it is the parents themselves who are denying their own children the right to have two parents living together.

I don't know many single parents - but I haven't come across any evidence to suggest they are not good parents. I imagine they are very good parents. It depends on the person.

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Reply #139 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:51pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:47pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:37pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm:

A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.

What about single parents?

When a child is deprived of the love of both parents in their daily lives it is always cruel ad highly damaging to the child. Sometimes it can`t be helped, but to plan for this result is selfish and callous

Exactly, but they will stress that because heterosexuals can be dysfunctional, this and their family's breakdown also, then it's their right to be equally dysfunctional as the next make-do family you see.

Not to be outdone by the out-done you see.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #140 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:51pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:46pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:44pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:41pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:37pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm:

A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.

What about single parents?

Sometimes single parents can't be helped.
There are some tragic stories.

However single parents of shyte teenage bogan mums? Whole new ball game.

What about single mums by choice? Access to IVF is allowed for single women and lesbians, you know - it is actually legal for a lesbian woman to have IVF then go home to raise the child with her partner.

I don't agree with it.
IVF should be for a stable married couple in my opinion.

I grew up in a family of a stable background and I have no doubt it is because of that I have become the person I am today.

My family is stable, too, and I became the person I am today because of my family. My parents have been married for almost 30 years.
Obviously, I am a lot different to my parents, but my mother is a wonderful mother, and I would love to try to as great a mum as she has been. I don't think I should be denied that.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #141 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:53pm

Related news ........

Tasmania moves to recognise same-sex unions
Updated 10 hours 38 minutes ago

Tasmania's Lower House of Parliament has approved laws recognising same-sex marriages and civil unions registered in other states or countries.

Only three of the 25 Members of the House of Assembly - Liberals Rene Hidding, Michael Ferguson and Jacqui Petrusma - voted against the amendment to the Relationships Act.

Attorney-General Lara Giddings says the changes will remove discrimination for same-sex couples in registered relationships.

"This is really a small step, but a significant and important step for those people who have registered or been through a civil union process elsewhere around the world and want us to recognise that relationship as indeed being in existence," she said.

"This is about removing another level of discrimination which can be held against people who have a significant relationship that has been registered in another jurisdiction but at the moment is not recognised here in Tasmania," she said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/01/2999027.htm

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #142 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:54pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:51pm:

My family is stable, too, and I became the person I am today because of my family. My parents have been married for almost 30 years.
Obviously, I am a lot different to my parents, but my mother is a wonderful mother, and I would love to try to as great a mum as she has been. I don't think I should be denied that.

Why do you think you would be denied this opportunity?
Because you're single?

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #143 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:54pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:46pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:42pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:34pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:28pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:22pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:21pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

Vanessa, perhaps you should take note of the hint that nature is trying to give you?

There are straight couples out there who cannot conceive and they use IVF - are they ignoring the hint that nature has given them?

If an octopus has an accident and loses four of it`s legs, would you call it a horse?

Completely irrelevant.

Not irrelevant at at all, IVF between a natural breeding pair only overcomes accident or disease, nothing more.

I actually think IVF is stupid and irrelevant in our overpopulated world, but that`s another story. Vanessa, I don`t want to offend you, nothing could be further from my intention. This is just my honest opinion.

That's fine, no offence taken.

I think IVF is amazing. It has enabled so many people to become parents, and nothing could be better than that.
The problem is if it is abused - people churning out IVF babies to collect the baby bonus - although I hope Aussies are smarter than that.

And while expensive, I'll be using it one day, and hopefully, I can realise my life long dream of becoming a mother. And no one should assume I would be a poor mother, because I aim to be the best mother I could ever be.

I don't care if you`re fat Vanessa, or if your clothes are bad. You can go to sleep at night, you are a good person and you`ll get by...

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #144 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:54pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:53pm:

Related news ........

Tasmania moves to recognise same-sex unions
Updated 10 hours 38 minutes ago

Tasmania's Lower House of Parliament has approved laws recognising same-sex marriages and civil unions registered in other states or countries.

Only three of the 25 Members of the House of Assembly - Liberals Rene Hidding, Michael Ferguson and Jacqui Petrusma - voted against the amendment to the Relationships Act.

Attorney-General Lara Giddings says the changes will remove discrimination for same-sex couples in registered relationships.

"This is really a small step, but a significant and important step for those people who have registered or been through a civil union process elsewhere around the world and want us to recognise that relationship as indeed being in existence," she said.

"This is about removing another level of discrimination which can be held against people who have a significant relationship that has been registered in another jurisdiction but at the moment is not recognised here in Tasmania," she said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/01/2999027.htm

Excellent news. It is shameful that you can be married in one country, then return home and you are not married.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #145 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:54pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:54pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:46pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:42pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:34pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:28pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:22pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:21pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

Vanessa, perhaps you should take note of the hint that nature is trying to give you?

There are straight couples out there who cannot conceive and they use IVF - are they ignoring the hint that nature has given them?

If an octopus has an accident and loses four of it`s legs, would you call it a horse?

Completely irrelevant.

Not irrelevant at at all, IVF between a natural breeding pair only overcomes accident or disease, nothing more.

I actually think IVF is stupid and irrelevant in our overpopulated world, but that`s another story. Vanessa, I don`t want to offend you, nothing could be further from my intention. This is just my honest opinion.

That's fine, no offence taken.

I think IVF is amazing. It has enabled so many people to become parents, and nothing could be better than that.
The problem is if it is abused - people churning out IVF babies to collect the baby bonus - although I hope Aussies are smarter than that.

And while expensive, I'll be using it one day, and hopefully, I can realise my life long dream of becoming a mother. And no one should assume I would be a poor mother, because I aim to be the best mother I could ever be.

I don't care if you`re fat Vanessa, or if your clothes are bad. You can go to sleep at night, you are a good person and you`ll get by...

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Hehe, thank you very much.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #146 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:56pm

mellie wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:51pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:47pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:37pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm:

A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.

What about single parents?

When a child is deprived of the love of both parents in their daily lives it is always cruel ad highly damaging to the child. Sometimes it can`t be helped, but to plan for this result is selfish and callous

Exactly, but they will stress that because heterosexuals can be dysfunctional, this and their family's breakdown also, then it's their right to be equally dysfunctional as the next make-do family you see.

Not to be outdone by the out-done you see.

Cool

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #147 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:56pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:54pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:51pm:

My family is stable, too, and I became the person I am today because of my family. My parents have been married for almost 30 years.
Obviously, I am a lot different to my parents, but my mother is a wonderful mother, and I would love to try to as great a mum as she has been. I don't think I should be denied that.

Why do you think you would be denied this opportunity?
Because you're single?

No. As the law stands, I can turn up as a gay woman or a single woman and I will have access to IVF.
Ideally, it would be better if the baby has a mother and a father. But children live in all different kinds of environments these days. It is somewhat old fashioned to want the childs upbringing to be perfect.

Put it this way. If I were to shack up with a man I didn't love, and had a baby with him - is that good for the child?
Or is it better that I have a child while single?

I know which I would prefer!

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #148 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:59pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:56pm:

Put it this way. If I were to shack up with a man I didn't love, and had a baby with him - is that good for the child?
Or is it better that I have a child while single?

I know which I would prefer!

If you want my personal opinion, I don't like either option.

I would rather a child grows up in a stable home of a married couple.

I don't like the fad of single parents and I positively detest two people of the same sex having a child.

My view is about what is best for the child, not the parent(s).

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Reply #149 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:01pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:59pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:56pm:

Put it this way. If I were to shack up with a man I didn't love, and had a baby with him - is that good for the child?
Or is it better that I have a child while single?

I know which I would prefer!

If you want my personal opinion, I don't like either option.

I would rather a child grows up in a stable home of a married couple.

I don't like the fad of single parents and I positively detest two people of the same sex having a child.

My view is about what is best for the child, not the parent(s).

I can understand the wanting what is best for the child - but as same sex couples had not even had the chance to prove themselves as parents, is it fair to assume they would be bad parents?

Where is the harm in letting them try and see what happens? You might be surprised.

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