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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #120 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:31pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:26pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:19pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:17pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

Spitting your dummy at people with opposing views to yours, doesn`t do your credibility, or your cause any good.

I don't think that is his point. I believe he is peeved off at those who he believes don't know what they are talking about.

Assuming something doesn't make a good argument - showing proof that your argument is correct would be something that would be valued.

Vanessa, he begins with "Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption", which is actually saying "Unless are gay or lesbian, you can`t have an opinion interest in same-sex adoption".

I also note his lack of proof or supporting documentation, which by his own standards place his own post at the bottom of the credability ladder.

I don't care if you are gay or not, you can have an opinion - but I like to hear proper reasons for peoples opposition, not just 'Its wrong and they cant adopt kids' because that's not a very good argument.

These are the facts:

There are very good straight parents out there
There are very poor straight parents out there
There are very good gay parents out there
There are very poor gay parents out there.

No parent is worse than another, and no one should be presumed to be a bad parent - especially when they haven't been given a chance to prove their skills as a parent.

Allow gays to become parents, leave it a few years then see how well they are doing - only then would you have something legit to argue.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #121 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:33pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:28pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:22pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:21pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

Vanessa, perhaps you should take note of the hint that nature is trying to give you?

There are straight couples out there who cannot conceive and they use IVF - are they ignoring the hint that nature has given them?

If an octopus has an accident and loses four of it`s legs, would you call it a horse?

No more than you would call a single scrubber mother having 8 babies by IVF living off welfare an octapussy... Tongue

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #122 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:34pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:28pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:22pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:21pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

Vanessa, perhaps you should take note of the hint that nature is trying to give you?

There are straight couples out there who cannot conceive and they use IVF - are they ignoring the hint that nature has given them?

If an octopus has an accident and loses four of it`s legs, would you call it a horse?

Completely irrelevant.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #123 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm

mellie wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:33pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:28pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:22pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:21pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

Vanessa, perhaps you should take note of the hint that nature is trying to give you?

There are straight couples out there who cannot conceive and they use IVF - are they ignoring the hint that nature has given them?

If an octopus has an accident and loses four of it`s legs, would you call it a horse?

No more than you would call a single scrubber mother having 8 babies by IVF living off welfare an octapussy... Tongue

Thank God that crap only happens in America!

...........hahaha at the profanity filter!

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aussiefree2ride Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3538	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #124 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #125 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:36pm aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm: A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance. Well said that man!!!!
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Vanessa Senior Member Offline Ranga Rock Chick Posts: 301 Somewhere In The Real World Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #126 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:37pm aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm: A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance. What about single parents?
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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #127 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:40pm Quote: What about single parents? Obviously they should be taken to the nearest footy field and clubbed to death with a cricket bat in front of their childen and the cheering crowds of rednecks that fill the stands.
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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #128 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:41pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:37pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm:

A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.

What about single parents?

Sometimes single parents can't be helped.
There are some tragic stories.

However single parents of shyte teenage bogan mums? Whole new ball game.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #129 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:42pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:34pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:28pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:22pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:21pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

Vanessa, perhaps you should take note of the hint that nature is trying to give you?

There are straight couples out there who cannot conceive and they use IVF - are they ignoring the hint that nature has given them?

If an octopus has an accident and loses four of it`s legs, would you call it a horse?

Completely irrelevant.

Not irrelevant at at all, IVF between a natural breeding pair only overcomes accident or disease, nothing more.

I actually think IVF is stupid and irrelevant in our overpopulated world, but that`s another story. Vanessa, I don`t want to offend you, nothing could be further from my intention. This is just my honest opinion.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #130 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:44pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:41pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:37pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm:

A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.

What about single parents?

Sometimes single parents can't be helped.
There are some tragic stories.

However single parents of shyte teenage bogan mums? Whole new ball game.

What about single mums by choice? Access to IVF is allowed for single women and lesbians, you know - it is actually legal for a lesbian woman to have IVF then go home to raise the child with her partner.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #131 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:45pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:31pm:

I don't care if you are gay or not, you can have an opinion - but I like to hear proper reasons for peoples opposition, not just 'Its wrong and they cant adopt kids' because that's not a very good argument.

These are the facts:

There are very good straight parents out there
There are very poor straight parents out there
There are very good gay parents out there
There are very poor gay parents out there.

No parent is worse than another, and no one should be presumed to be a bad parent - especially when they haven't been given a chance to prove their skills as a parent.

Allow gays to become parents, leave it a few years then see how well they are doing - only then would you have something legit to argue.

Vanessa for the next GG. Shocked

You have really, truly thought this out, Vanessa?

It has NOTHING to do with a person's sexuality. It is about ADOPTION.

How many children have you had, Vanessa? Who looks after them? Would you give one of yours away to somebody who needed a baby more than you do?

Look at the problem from outside the square.

How many children come up for adoption, annually? Who wants a 5+ year old? Most people would want a new-born. How many of those are there that are available for adoption?

I would suggest that those couples who go through IVF will end up thoroughly disappointed.

Why can't people just realise that they left their run too late and they will remain childless? It WAS the CAREER that stopped them trying to have kids while they were young (and in love) wasn't it?

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #132 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:46pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:42pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:34pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:28pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:22pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:21pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

Vanessa, perhaps you should take note of the hint that nature is trying to give you?

There are straight couples out there who cannot conceive and they use IVF - are they ignoring the hint that nature has given them?

If an octopus has an accident and loses four of it`s legs, would you call it a horse?

Completely irrelevant.

Not irrelevant at at all, IVF between a natural breeding pair only overcomes accident or disease, nothing more.

I actually think IVF is stupid and irrelevant in our overpopulated world, but that`s another story. Vanessa, I don`t want to offend you, nothing could be further from my intention. This is just my honest opinion.

That's fine, no offence taken.

I think IVF is amazing. It has enabled so many people to become parents, and nothing could be better than that.
The problem is if it is abused - people churning out IVF babies to collect the baby bonus - although I hope Aussies are smarter than that.

And while expensive, I'll be using it one day, and hopefully, I can realise my life long dream of becoming a mother. And no one should assume I would be a poor mother, because I aim to be the best mother I could ever be.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #133 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:46pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:44pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:41pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:37pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm:

A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.

What about single parents?

Sometimes single parents can't be helped.
There are some tragic stories.

However single parents of shyte teenage bogan mums? Whole new ball game.

What about single mums by choice? Access to IVF is allowed for single women and lesbians, you know - it is actually legal for a lesbian woman to have IVF then go home to raise the child with her partner.

It's cheaper when done in Thailand....

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #134 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:46pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:44pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:41pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:37pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm:

A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.

What about single parents?

Sometimes single parents can't be helped.
There are some tragic stories.

However single parents of shyte teenage bogan mums? Whole new ball game.

What about single mums by choice? Access to IVF is allowed for single women and lesbians, you know - it is actually legal for a lesbian woman to have IVF then go home to raise the child with her partner.

I don't agree with it.
IVF should be for a stable married couple in my opinion.

I grew up in a family of a stable background and I have no doubt it is because of that I have become the person I am today.

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