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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #105 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 6:31pm

... wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 6:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 6:14pm:

... wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:57pm:

... wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:49pm:

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Habit..lol..
So exactly why do YOU object to gay, or same-sex adoptions???

becauuuuuuse, there are MORE than enough good, stable loving homes available right now. These have the benefit of having a man and a woman, which gives the best chance of a balanced upbringing. Sorry, but all other factors being equal, two men will never be as good for the child as having male and female parental figures.

Ok why do you consider 'men and women' better than any other combination???

WHY don't you think that 2 men, or 2 women are as 'good' as a man/women combination??

Does it really need explaining?

YES it does need explaining, by any concept OTHER than a religious one...

I figure there's a reason why a man and a woman are the only possible combination to make children....evolution has an uncanny habit of finding the best combinations. It's just my belief, but let's be honest here, it's just common sense innit? Something which is sadly lacking in the PC age.

Yeah ok...but what is the reason 'against' a non-man/woman couple being acceptable to RAISE children....not evolutionarily equipped to 'HAVE' children....just able to raise children...

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #106 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 6:33pm I support any couple in a loving stable relationship adopting children. Gay, straight, bisexual.. it makes no difference
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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #107 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 6:56pm

adelcrow wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 6:33pm:

I support any couple in a loving stable relationship adopting children. Gay, straight, bisexual.. it makes no difference

Well, pity Labor don't, at least Liberal were upfront about their views on the matter....but if you prefer being pre-electoral pillow-talked, then hey, by all means.

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #108 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:04pm Quote: Well, pity Labor don't, at least Liberal were upfront about their views on the matter....but if you prefer being pre-electoral pillow-talked, then hey, by all means. What on earth are you on about? The debate only started 90 minutes ago and the vote isn't expected until late tonight.
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Yog Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 63	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #109 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children? Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!
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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #110 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #111 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:17pm

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

Spitting your dummy at people with opposing views to yours, doesn`t do your credibility, or your cause any good.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #112 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:17pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:04pm:

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Well, pity Labor don't, at least Liberal were upfront about their views on the matter....but if you prefer being pre-electoral pillow-talked, then hey, by all means.

What on earth are you on about?
The debate only started 90 minutes ago and the vote isn't expected until late tonight.

ahahhah, I brought the bill here weeks ago, go back through the threads.

You're a little slooooow.

Probably all the dioxin in the food/water supply, you get that.

Cool

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Reply #113 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:19pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:17pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

Spitting your dummy at people with opposing views to yours, doesn`t do your credibility, or your cause any good.

I don't think that is his point. I believe he is peeved off at those who he believes don't know what they are talking about.

Assuming something doesn't make a good argument - showing proof that your argument is correct would be something that would be valued.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #114 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:21pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

Vanessa, perhaps you should take note of the hint that nature is trying to give you?

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #115 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:22pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:21pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

Vanessa, perhaps you should take note of the hint that nature is trying to give you?

There are straight couples out there who cannot conceive and they use IVF - are they ignoring the hint that nature has given them?

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #116 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:26pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:19pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:17pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

Spitting your dummy at people with opposing views to yours, doesn`t do your credibility, or your cause any good.

I don't think that is his point. I believe he is peeved off at those who he believes don't know what they are talking about.

Assuming something doesn't make a good argument - showing proof that your argument is correct would be something that would be valued.

Vanessa, he begins with "Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption", which is actually saying "Unless are gay or lesbian, you can`t have an opinion interest in same-sex adoption".

I also note his lack of proof or supporting documentation, which by his own standards place his own post at the bottom of the credability ladder.

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #117 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:27pm Ultimately, the Jokes on those who supported a Labor party, who truly thought they were serious about legislating ANYTHING to their advantage. .... Such a sad irony, and when they say, ignorance is bliss.... you go and support the never-ever bill that was never ever going to happen. Naturally
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #118 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:28pm I am not sure I can be more against something than this. It is cruel, it does not take into account the child and it sets them up for a life of ridicule. Adoption should always be in the interests of the child. It should not be to satisfy the urges of a couple of shirt lifters trying to be normal and play happy families.
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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #119 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:28pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:22pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:21pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

Vanessa, perhaps you should take note of the hint that nature is trying to give you?

There are straight couples out there who cannot conceive and they use IVF - are they ignoring the hint that nature has given them?

If an octopus has an accident and loses four of it`s legs, would you call it a horse?

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