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Reply #45 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 3:23pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Aug 28th, 2010 at 3:01pm:
There are many more murders now than in those days.
Death penalties don't stop crime. That's why enlightened countries don't have them.
Ronald Ryan was in prison and if he had a life sentence he wouldn't have killed anyone anyway. Why do you presume that the guy was guilty anyway? Same as the dingo theory eh>?


LOL Ryan was executed for killing a guard while escaping prison....
So the life sentence doesn't really work, does it.....he escaped once (committing murder in the process) so why assume he wouldn't have done EXACTLY the same thing during a life sentence????

No, the dingo theory is valid.....unless you care to provide a dingo that can undo buttons, undress a baby and fold up a jumpsuit.....
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Reply #46 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 3:28pm
 
I had no trouble explaining to my children why drugs are a bad idea. I just said that you do not put anything into your mouth that other people want you to, because what they really just want is your money. They may seem friendly and all smiles, but they want your money, and they don't care if what they give you hurts you.
Drugs are a con job. And I just kept saying it, regularly, from when they were old enough to understand, and pointing out that just because something is shown on a television screen or in a music video clip doesn't mean it isn't a con job.
They want your money; they don't care about you.
You have to fight the propaganda from when children are very young, because it is being fed to them from all sides, including their indoctrinated "friends".
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Reply #47 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 3:31pm
 
you are how many decades out of date with the Chamberlain case??
Go and read the evidence, you clearly haven't. Duh, yes that's right, dingos don't fold up clothing do they. What happened to the dingos that were around that campsite on the night? Were they ever seen again?
Thinking, thinking....tick tock, tick tock.
Go and read the story mate rather than go off half cocked.
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Reply #48 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 3:35pm
 
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Death penalties don't stop crime. That's why enlightened countries don't have them.


Nor do prison sentences. We lock a lot of prisoners up every year and yet, crime, or rather, behavior deemed criminal in practically every civilized society on the face of the earth, remains rampant. Saying that just because the death penalty doesn't "stop crime" is a good reason why it shouldn't be practiced is the same as saying that because incarceration or any kind of punishment doesn't stop crime, therefore, nobody should be punished for any transgression. That doesn't make any sense.

I don't know why you equate punishment via execution with a lack of "civilization". Civilization has nothing to do with that. Civilization is about order, not the espousal of touchy-feely squeamish progressive values.
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Reply #49 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 3:46pm
 
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There are many more murders now than in those days.


There aren't.

We averaged well over 300 homicides per year during the 1980s. For the past few years the figure has dropped down to below 300 (283 in 2007).
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Reply #50 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 3:48pm
 
you can't possibly be that dense, so you must be sh*t stiring.
Custodial sentences are only given in extreme cases, literally to prevent people from re committing offences. In that lumpen sense, they do actually stop one offender when nothing else appears to work. People who get prison sentences usually have a pretty long history of crime. You appear to have a mindset that those nasty, horrible people in charge are just going around locking everyone in prison.

The point is, apparently it has to be said again, and again, and again - is that death penalties are final and should evidence come to light that the person was innocent -WHICH IT DOES E.G. LINDY CHAMBERLAIN - then it is too late, the person is gone; death penalty can be abused by a political system, it does nothing to address the real reasons for crime, it isn't humanitarian, and it damages the national psyche by dragging the whole system down to a bestial killing mentality.

You can't be humanitarian and support a death penalty, it doesn't matter how much money you've got or how advanced are the technological advancements in your kitchen.
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Reply #51 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 3:53pm
 
i am not touchy feeling squeamish, imp. I know that Australia was built on the lash that took every bit of skin off one's back right down to the bone. One only needs to know of the horrors of the Australian colonial prisons, which was the very reason the place was populated by Britain in the first place. The screaming madness of the prisoners chained on the treadmills on Norfolk Island every day of their lives. The maggot infested flogged backs that could only be relieved by the prisoners having to urinate on the floor of their black cells and lay their backs in the urine for some relief from the agony - and the death penalties that were handed out.

That sort of thing damaged Australia and the Australian psyche right down to the present day. The people finally prevailed and removed this barbarity from our beautiful country; and it will not be brought back. Not in this country, not ever.
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Reply #52 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 4:04pm
 
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it does nothing to address the real reasons for crime,


Actually it does. The "real reason" for crimes warranting of punishment as severe as death is often psychopathy. The death penalty eliminates the cause of psychopathy at its root; by extinguishing the particular genetic mutations that give rise to it from the gene pool.
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Reply #53 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 4:08pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Aug 28th, 2010 at 3:31pm:
you are how many decades out of date with the Chamberlain case??
Go and read the evidence, you clearly haven't. Duh, yes that's right, dingos don't fold up clothing do they. What happened to the dingos that were around that campsite on the night? Were they ever seen again?
Thinking, thinking....tick tock, tick tock.
Go and read the story mate rather than go off half cocked.


Let me try and explain..

1) The 'dingoes' around the camp site are not, in fact pure-blood dingoes...they are dingo/domestic dog crosses...and domestic dogs that were 'dumped' by their owners (or had run off..i.e Ferals)
2) Pure-blood dingoes generally won't come within 200 metres of humans...as WE are the only threat to dingoes
3) While a dingo (or indeed a feral dog/x-cross breed) 'might' consume the dead body of a baby...if it was left in the scrub, it's very unlikely to enter a tent(surrounded by humans) and carry off a living child
4) Predators...like dogs/dingoes..do NOT carry small prey by the head....they grip small things like rabbits, hares and children....around the middle..at the point of balance
5) The Chamberlains were from the City..neither of them could have told the difference between a dingo, a cross-breed or a feral dog if it had bitten them on the arse
6) NO dog (whether dingo, cross-breed or feral) could have, or would have UNDRESSED Azaria, before consuming the body...

Possibly Azaria died of an accident.....but it was an accident caused by HUMAN action...

The last 'theory' I heard on the subject was that 'possiblly' one of her brothers was involved and the parents covered it up.......which, in truth, I wouldn't blame them for doing...

But one thing is certain.....while a feral/wild dog 'may' have eaten Azaria, it sure didn't kill her.....
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Reply #54 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 4:12pm
 
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The death penalty eliminates the cause of psychopathy at its root; by extinguishing the particular genetic mutations that give rise to it from the gene pool.


And what if they could invent a simple blood test to test for psychopathy?

Let's say that test could be done at birth.
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Reply #55 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 4:13pm
 
and that presumes that psychopathy is genetic, which if it is not, then the "cure" is completely misguided.

Criminality is more likely attitudinal in a huge number of cases, possibly the vast majority. That is why custodial rehabilitation actually works. What is missing in this country is rehabilitative measures in the general community to catch the dysfunctional kids, teenagers, parents and families who have been victims of whatever deprivations in their lives that lead them to these attitudes and practices. There are many more of those in the pipeline than people in prison who might end up getting executed by the government.
It does not, and never has cured the cause among the general population, that is why you still have crime in countries that do have the death penalty.
You need to get out of your lower middle class lifestyle and get out onto some mean streets. (not that there are that many in this country.)
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Reply #56 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 4:29pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 28th, 2010 at 4:12pm:
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The death penalty eliminates the cause of psychopathy at its root; by extinguishing the particular genetic mutations that give rise to it from the gene pool.


And what if they could invent a simple blood test to test for psychopathy?

Let's say that test could be done at birth.



Wouldn't that STILL be a death penalty???.....Killing a baby for a crime it MIGHT commit is less heinous than killing an adult for a crime he/she DID commit????
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Reply #57 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 4:29pm
 
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and fold up a jumpsuit.....


It's a myth that the jumpsuit was found folded.
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Reply #58 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 4:31pm
 
Maybe a 'dna' test of the parents.....and a ban on having children IF they have the 'psychopathy' gene or blood type???

Even then....some group will STILL complain...
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Reply #59 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 4:33pm
 
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Wouldn't that STILL be a death penalty???.....Killing a baby for a crime it MIGHT commit is less heinous than killing an adult for a crime he/she DID commit????


I wasn't offering an opinion, just asking a question.
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