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Aug 26th, 2010 at 7:49am
 
Gillards 'real' 7-point plan revealed....

Point 1-  Delay the eventual, appear the fairer and more 'negotiable party' well after they have already lost. There's no chance Gillard will win, but I have a feeling we are going to need a crow-bar removing her from the PM's chair. Her dignity is on the line, due to what she did to Rudd, and when she doesn't pull through, all the dirt will come out in the wash...due to her not being able to come through with her promises to MP's etc. One has already resigned, more are sure to follow.

Point 2-  Use  misguided useful idiots (Independents) as a last-ditch campaign props, decoys, as though their opinion truly mattered ahead of the postal vote count.

Point 3- Engage in meaningless negotiations to keep the public entertained whilst Bill Shorten and co find some means to leave the country, discreetly...lol

Point 4- Use Independents as a tool to scathe off those Liberal voters who might otherwise show their ID by 5pm (I think today)  to make their absentee votes count.  (SOMETHING GILLARD WOULD RATHER THEY FORGOT ABOUT)

Point 5- Use the Independents demands as a campaign weapon against the coalition, despite Gillards own lack of disclosure commitment, and her having to speak with others about her own costings first. ahhahaha But Channel 7 are rather biased on this matter, in fact, anyone would think they had shares in election betting, due to their blatant willingness to allude to false odds.

Point 6- Keep the punters swinging in the breeze, for  to concede defeat now might lose a few last minute bets.

(I agree with one independent, re- election betting should be banned though)...not that this should have been his priority...I mean Health and education would have been a more responsible demand surely?



Point 7- Give Labor time to clean up a few odd's and end's before leaving office. They know they have lost.

Point 8- Take time counting the postal votes, surely, due to the circumstances, we could have counters working around the clock in shifts? Must they work a 7 hour day, and finish-up by 3pm?

Anyone would think Gillard were delaying the inevitable.  Cool

Point 9- Try to convince the independents come megalomaniacs to vote in accordance with their perceived entitlements , this opposed to the wishes of their own electorate, of which is overwhelmingly in favour of a Liberal government in independents cases.

Point 10- Try and allude to the falsehood that a few power-struck "Independents" views count, when media wise, when we all know it's the mathematics that matters at the end of the day.



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Reply #1 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:01am
 
I think you need to start defending the coalition's position Mel. Attacking Gillard won't do much good as the final votes are being counted.

It's up to the Independents now and the future isn't looking bright for Abbott.

If nothing else - Gillard seems to have a lot of stamina. Abbott isn't coping well, but Gillard is still soldiering on tirelessly.

That is at least something in her favour.

Where are Abbott's costings?  Cheesy
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Reply #2 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:17am
 
Brisbane will be a Labor retain, as are Lindsay, Greenway and Robertson. Hasluck very tight. Bandt has said twice now he will support Labor. Wilkie will support neither. Labor on 74 seats, an unbeatable position I would think.

Neither Party has majority support so the indies will have to decide. Tone and his dodgy costings probably have cost him minority govt. Julia hasn’t put a foot wrong so far.

Mellie, your points 1-3 are ridiculous. You have no idea  Grin

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Point 4- Use Independents as a tool to scathe off those Liberal voters who might otherwise show their ID by 5pm (I think today)  to make their absentee votes count.  (SOMETHING GILLARD WOULD RATHER THEY FORGOT ABOUT)


Ummm the ID is needed to make PROVISIONAL votes count, the ongoing circus would actually spur any Libs to do so. Provisional votes will help Labor but not much as very few provisionals are ever accepted and counted.

Julia has said she will allow the Indies access to the costings after some advice re caretaker conventions.

Julia gave the Indies a folder showing what Labor had done for their electorates and was scheduled to do. Tone said he loves the bush. LOL!

The continuing shemozzle of Opposition costings is killing Tone. He really did expect to slide into Kirribilly without any scrutiny. he nearly did it too thanks to a complicit Ltd News. But that is over.
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Reply #3 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:21am
 
Gillard is trying to sneak a peek at Tony Abbotts costings, this and is trying to construct a last ditch campaign strike against Tony Abbott, for not divulging his costings, she herself wouldn't disclose in a pink fit if she were in Tony's optimistic position, unless desperate to convince Australians they have a need to be suspicious of Tony Abbott...this and should head back to the polls.

Mr Windsor, will serve as an ALP Mole to wage a counter-strike against Libs next election. He's already been locked in by the ALP either way it goes.

Tony Abbott knows what the ALP are trying to do, but what it really comes down to is postal votes,(The peoples vote) ... Gillards just trying to divert attention away from her own crumbling party, this and cast a shadow of doubt over his leadership.

Talk about a sore loser..... Shorten doesn't like to lose.

Bill Shortens mummy-in-law GG Quentin Bryce was who swore Gillard in after she toppled Rudd afterall.

These useful idiots should be casting their votes in accordance with their own electorates wishes, 3 of which own electorates prefer a Liberal government.

They are not kings, they are independents who's votes may never come into the equation, once the postal votes have finished being counted.

...At least two independents oppose Gillards Mining tax.

Guess which of the three is the odd-ball out.


Mr I want a NBN, at the expense of Aussie jobs, and soaring living costs of living...aka Windsor.

See, Gillards already trying to sabotage Abbotts leadership before he's even had the opportunity to lead, hoping he will cave in to a few of her demands and Independents demands before the postal votes have even finished being counted.

Cool.....  Grow -up Gillard, since when has any government been expected to show their costings to said "independents" in order to be elected?


Bottom line...Tonys in a fantastic position, this and doesn't need to convince Australians of the fact he would be the better leader, on account of him already succeeding.

Gillard on the other hand, is trying to convince Australians she should be reconsidered.


Ladies and gentlemen, this is one government who don't want to leave office, and are doing everything in their power to spitefully smear a coalition victory, in light of their having lost the approval of Australian voters, due to their own stupidity. Roll Eyesi



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Reply #4 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:22am
 
It looks like the WA MP Crook might defect also.  

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There is no Coalition agreement in WA and Mr Crook has said he will not sit in the Coalition party room.

Although he opposes the mining tax, Mr Crook has agreed to talks with Ms Gillard. The pair spoke by phone yesterday and Ms Gillard said he did ''not consider himself to be a member of the [Warren] Truss Nationals''.

Ms Gillard will meet Andrew Wilkie, the independent who is likely to win the Tasmanian Labor seat of Denison, in Melbourne this week.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/the-seven-steps-to-power-20100825-13s87.h...
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Reply #5 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:24am
 
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Gillard is trying to sneak a peek at Tony Abbotts costings, this and is trying to construct a last ditch campaign strike against Tony Abbott, for not divulging his costings, she herself wouldn't disclose in a pink fit if she were in Tony's optimistic position, unless desperate to convince Australians they have a need to be suspicious of Tony Abbott...this and should head back to the polls.


Wrong - she has agreed to show the Independents the ALP's costings and there is a need to be suspicious of Abbott. He has brought this on himself.

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Reply #6 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:28am
 
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Gillard is trying to sneak a peek at Tony Abbotts costings, this and is trying to construct a last ditch campaign strike against Tony Abbott, for not divulging his costings, she herself wouldn't disclose in a pink fit if she were in Tony's optimistic position, unless desperate to convince Australians they have a need to be suspicious of Tony Abbott...this and should head back to the polls.


Ummmm, it is the indies asked for Treasury to look at the oppositions costings, not Julia. The costings have been released, it is the devastating Treasury analysis that tone is desperately trying to avoid.

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Tony Abbott knows what the ALP are trying to do, but what it really comes down to is postal votes,(The peoples vote) ... Gillards just trying to divert attention away from her own crumbling party, this and cast a shadow of doubt over his leadership.


The AEC is proceeding with the count of postals, absentees and provisionals and publishing the results on its website every day. the count in Brisbane now shows it will be a Labor retain after being “given” to the Libs on Sat night.

I think Mellie knows the Libs costings won’t stand scrutiny and is trying to throw up a smokescreen. Too bad, the real situation is blindingly obvious.
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Reply #7 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:29am
 
mantra wrote on Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:24am:
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Gillard is trying to sneak a peek at Tony Abbotts costings, this and is trying to construct a last ditch campaign strike against Tony Abbott, for not divulging his costings, she herself wouldn't disclose in a pink fit if she were in Tony's optimistic position, unless desperate to convince Australians they have a need to be suspicious of Tony Abbott...this and should head back to the polls.


Wrong - she has agreed to show the Independents the ALP's costings and there is a need to be suspicious of Abbott. He has brought this on himself.



Mantra, are you honestly banking on 'costings' disclosure determining the outcome of this election?

When it's clear, Tony already has a full-house.


Cool..It's just media hype and spin.

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Reply #8 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:36am
 
Tone will (probably) have 73 seats. Labor will have 73 seats plus 1 Green.

How does Tone have a full house?
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Reply #9 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:36am
 
mantra wrote on Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:01am:
I think you need to start defending the coalition's position Mel. Attacking Gillard won't do much good as the final votes are being counted.

It's up to the Independents now and the future isn't looking bright for Abbott.

If nothing else - Gillard seems to have a lot of stamina. Abbott isn't coping well, but Gillard is still soldiering on tirelessly.

That is at least something in her favour.

Where are Abbott's costings?  Cheesy


Abbott is by far the more relaxed of the two, a clear conscience is always an advantage though. Grin
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Reply #10 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:37am
 
Fact: With or without the costings disclosure, Tony's already won.

It's just Gillard trying to bait the Australian public, desperately hoping to convince them to head back to the polls.

I believe the Australian public have already decided, this and realise what Gillards up to, trying to twist the knife into Abbotts spleen, the same way she did Rudds. *vomits*

It wont wash!

Australians want closure, are happy with Tony Abbott becoming their new PM with or without the costings.

They just want Gillard and her corrupt power-brokers gone.



Roll Eyes Tony is by far the more focused, and relaxed candidate.

Why? Because he has nothing to hide.







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Reply #11 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:39am
 
It is not the release of the costings, that was done before the election. the question is Treasury scrutiny—the oppositions costings will not stand up to any independent scrutiny and that will kill it for Tone.
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Reply #12 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:42am
 
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Mantra, are you honestly banking on 'costings' disclosure determining the outcome of this election?

When it's clear, Tony already has a full-house.



I think not disclosing the costings will hurt Abbott.

I'm not sure Abbott has a full house. Brisbane is still undecided, the Independents are undecided, a Nat seat in WA could defect - it's anyone's game.
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Reply #13 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:45am
 
It is pretty clear that Bevis has retained Brisbane.
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Reply #14 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:47am
 
Darwin wrote on Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:39am:
It is not the release of the costings, that was done before the election. the question is Treasury scrutiny—the oppositions costings will not stand up to any independent scrutiny and that will kill it for Tone.



Tony knows what he's doing, and isn't prepared to play and or pander to anymore of Gillards games/whims.

He's already won, and he knows it.

The only hope Gillard has is to orchestrate a last-ditch media smear campaign, in hope this will serve her favourably in the event we head back to the polls, but the truth is, I think if anything, the Australian people will resent her all the more for what will inevitably, be a waste of more time and money, so that Gillard can dance on her podium and pretend to be the formidable leader she never truly was.

Tonys not stupid, this and was prepared for her last minute spin.

She's like a spoilt child stomping her feet in the corner...demanding this and that ...desperately hoping this will cast a shadow of doubt on the coalition, when in fact, Tonys sitting back and laughing, because when and if it comes down to him having to show his costings, she will look even more irrational and demanding than she already is.

Roll Eyes...Personally, I doubt the need will arise.

He's just pacing himself, this and is as cool as ice.

Note-The fiery red-head holding it's breath in the corner...refusing to step-down, even when it's clear, Tony has won....ahahaha

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Reply #15 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:52am
 
Tony will win either 1 or two more seats, and definitely has the support of at least two independents neither of which are in favour of destroying their careers or voting against their own electorates.

This or want a mining tax.

Cool

...All this is is the ALP grappling at desperate straws, let them knock themselves out I say...so long as their lunacy doesn't serve to compromise/cost Australians anymore than their fruitless campaign has already. Roll Eyes
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Reply #16 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:53am
 
If Lib & Labor has 73 seats each, plus 1 Green just how has Tone “won”?

Do you think costings shouldn’t be scrutinised?

I don’t think you really understand the situation.
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Reply #17 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:56am
 
Darwin wrote on Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:53am:
If Lib & Labor has 73 seats each, plus 1 Green just how has Tone “won”?

Do you think costings shouldn’t be scrutinised?

I don't think you really understand the situation.


Sadly, I think it's yourself who needs to review the situation.

Where are you getting your figures from?

Lol...Sunrise 7?

Try this...

http://vtr.aec.gov.au/
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Reply #18 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:57am
 
mellie wrote on Aug 26th, 2010 at 8:52am:
Tony will win either 1 or two more seats, and definitely has the support of at least two independents neither of which are in favour of destroying their careers or voting against their own electorates.

This or want a mining tax.

Cool


As far as I can see, no independent is definitely wanting to support Tone at this stage. Two Indies want the mining tax through, only Katter is against. Labor will win Brisbane and Corangamite and while Hasluck isn’t looking good for Labor still more votes to be counted—unlike previous elections the AEC has counted postals first and these tend to favor Lib (not as much as in the past) and is now counting prepolls and absentee and provisionals which will favor Labor.

There is no way the coalition will reach 74 seats let alone 75.

Julia will be PM for three years.
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Reply #19 - Aug 26th, 2010 at 9:02am
 
Wrong, at least two are opposed to the mining tax.

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