Tony is just biding his time, with 2 seats still up for grabs, one in Brisbane, the other 'Corangamite', (Which is fast turning into a Liberal seat with the postal votes coming in)...this will make 74, without having to negotiate the terms of government between 3 Independents who are currently placing unusual demands on both party's leaders.

Labor are putting the pressure on because they know this, and are just hoping he cracks under pressure, before the final seats swing his way.

Hang-in there Tony, at least wait for the postal votes to reveal their count, or does a Labor government have intentions on intentionally drawing out this process for as long as it takes to allow a handful of crummy independents throw around their perceived weight, knowing full well they aren't the only defining factor in this election?

Liberal have 72 seats, Labor has 71...if these other two seats turn Liberal, before either party resolved to agree or disagree with the independents 7-point demands, then guess what happens...demands even Gillard herself readily admits she isn't sure she can meet, with her having to run her business by her own legal people first.

Ok for Gillard to take rain-checks, but not Abbott?

Lets see who gets the last 2 seats shall we.

We will know by September 3.

When the last of the absentee, postal votes are due to be counted.


Drag them out as long as you can Gillard, and pray Tony stuffs up between now and then...

I doubt he will, he's pacing himself quite well, this and not making any rash decisions or commitments, unlike your bold desperate self.

To the contrary, I wonder how many more MP's  Labor will have 'cheesed' off by then?

If you will excuse my Corangamite pun.

Labors seats are rather transient, I believe.

mad mod mozza - plse don't comment or delete here.
I don't like or trust you.

mel - Ironman abbott is playing this as perfectly as he played judas on her bugger up with hte debates.

can the alp run a minority govt against Tony ??
No way. if they get it, it'll collapse withim months.
Who will win the reelection, with a majority govt?

the independants are fkwts.

equit Quote:


owing to your protector mozzaok gagging me, I am strongly disinclined to chat with you.
let alone consider disagreeing.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 11:21pm:


Aw c'mon SweetCheeks - lighten up and stop being such a sook!

mellie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 11:21pm:


FFS, Mellie et al, it is only your fellow right whingers who have been arrogant enough to call this election one way or another - despite the fact that it has been known, since Saturday night, that one or more seats may come down to the wire...

What is known, is that:

* Triumphant Tony got a little too carried away on election night.

* One or more of the Independents will need to guarantee supply, in order of either of the LibLabs to form government - and therefore that the LibLabs will need to start playing fair and nice!

Thats 2 more seats!!

...  one being almost certain, the other likely to swing Liberals way.

Furthermore, the postal votes will need to be taken above that of any of the 7-point independents.

Gillards lost the election, but she's still so trying....*cute*

Equitist wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 11:31pm:



You mean like this 'right whinger'?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1282439836/0#0

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 11:31pm:


Err...ummnnn....suffice to say that I reckon that your little dispute with Mozz would have been long forgotten already, if the heat-of-the-moment election evening altercation had been allowed to slide...

Oh, and there's still opportunity for that slide to occur - but it will just take a little longer than it otherwise would have...

deepthought wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 11:42pm:


OK, I concede that I ought to have not been so absolute - I've obviously been spending too much time with black/white-thinking right whingers...

Either way, can you prove me less than about 95% correct - on threads and/or individual posts!?

It's hardly surprising that Abbott doesn't feel overly pressured pandering to the 7-point whims of those whom bark them.


But Gillards still hopeful her Jedi mind-trick will suffice.

A short red skirt perhaps?



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-25/australia-to-count-special-ballots-that...

Take a look at this....as of 9.46 pm tonight.



http://vtr.aec.gov.au/Default.htm


Still....with only 79.78% of the primary vote having been counted.

*rubs hands together*

deepthought wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 12:01am:


Funny how you lot claim that you have triumphed, by picking up 1.9% of the 5.4% of primary national votes lost by the Labs...

Oh, and the facts, that the Greens got 3.7% gain in national votes and there was an unusually high informal vote, should get you lot waking up to the message that the electorate is leaning further left while the dogmatic Libs are lurching further to the right...

Judging by comments here and elsewhere, that message is still being arrogantly ignored...

Equitist wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 12:16am:



Mere justification.

The reality is that Dawson, Bonner, Longman, Leichhardt, Flynn, Forde, Herbert, Dickson, Bennelong and Macquarie all slipped away and Brisbane, Hasluck and (possibly) Corangamite will wind up with the coalition too.

A source of delight?

You betcha.

mellie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 11:58pm:


Beware Libs: attack-dog Abbott's arrogance is his perhaps his Party's biggest problem in these negotiations...

What if he gets so delusional, cocky and/or aggressive that the Independents refuse to deal with the Party whilst he's still at the helm!?

Will self-preservation kick in - or will you hold yourselves to the high moral ground you took in relation to Rudd's knifing!?

Equitist wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 12:25am:



I think you will find Tony Abbotts less, shall we say 'aggressive' when it comes to attacking his own dogs.

Bad-form re- the Rudd ordeal, I reckon this was what spoiled it for them, really I do.

...Aside from Labors bad-economics and apparent in-party dysfunction this is.

mellie wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 12:29am:



Nah, you ain't seen nothing yet! When Abbott ultimately let's fly, he won't hold back - he'll even outdo Latham...

Going to bed now!

Trust me Equ, no one could out mad-dog Latham.

Liberal have a humble record, whereas Labor, well, they generally disembowel their own before they leak any shred of credibility, paint them mad, before the media/public can determine the facts for themselves.

...Have you not heard of Labors most-recent resignation?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/7950920/vic-mp-quits-parliament-months-from-...

Another one bites the dust....

deepthought wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 12:35am:



Did you see his face when looking at Abbott, gave him the mad-dog stare, Jeesus that man's scary sometimes.
*jitters*..

deepthought wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 12:43am:



Tony has accomplished so much, he brought his party back from the dead, fought a battle against not one leader, but 2, (Rudd and Gillard)...this and still came through.

He's a stayer, there's no doubt about it.

Comes down to endurance I think.

...

Ye smellie, well may gloat.
I wonder if you have any clue of the national party's policies and what you voted for there?

Given that labor got 38% of the primary vote and the libs got 30% (without the nationals), I wonder would happen if labor and the greens formed a co-alition?

And you bang on about labor trying to gain the support of independents? Sheesh  

Abbott has refused to release the costing for his policies.....and the Liberal faithful bang on about accountability and honesty.....you have no concept of these principles......Abbott is divisive, negative and running away from being up front with the Coalitions costing....ask yourself WHY did Abbott refuse to have his policies costed by treasury and why is he refusing now......what is Abbott trying to hide.....if the costing add up then their would be nothing to leak.....Abbott is a flake of the highest order.....Australia deserves better than Abbott is providing!!!

Tony Abbott should smack off the black mailing independents.  Let the witch cling on by giving them what they “demand”.  Is that the way a nation should be governed, by a weak witch who is so smacking desperate to hang on she’ll do anything?  If that pathetic witch gets to be PM, there’ll be an election early next year.

I saw that Sprintcyclist, but as Tony Windsor said this morning - they have to take preferences into consideration also.

In some cases their Greens or Labor preferences might be greater than Coalition preferences.

It was only a small poll.

Well if Abbott wont release his costings it just shows he was bullsh1ting to begin with and doesn't want to get found out.
It also means he has no chance at forming government as the independents said yesterday, no costings ,no government. GOOD,

Longer term it is even worse for the Coalition, skippy. Farmers and rural voters generally will see Indy’s electorates benefit and will be much more critical of the Nats sucking up to the Libs and ignoring rural concerns.

Expect to see more Labor and Indy in rural electorates in future!

Cyberman wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 8:43am:


Then he has changed his mind. He said the opposite about an hour ago.

mantra wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 8:44am:


I saw it come out of his mouth at the press club yesterday, he said
NO COSTING NO GOVERNMENT. Which is how it should be, the fact the Lib huggers are supporting Abbott in his hiding of his costings just proves what tards they are to support someone even though they know he is lying.

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Ye smellie (if I have misplaced a space there, you may find it residing between your ears  ), do you realise that Beasley also had more primary votes than Howard?

Oh what a better world it could've been.

Our system needs to be run with regard to preferences. It also needs two major parties to compete.
Would you be happy if the Nationals were running the country in their own right? No? Then why did you vote for them?

not sure why anyone is worried about Abbott or Gillard... its the independants you need to worry about... they cant even agree am ongst themselves... sorry folks but this election is about the WHOLE country not just three electorates..bully boy Katter has already shown his stripes.. he wont work with anyone its all about his electorate.. rural is the go word.  my bet is we will go to the polls again maybe those who voted for independants/greens will realize what a no go that is with Fed elections...imagine independants in the house and Green in the Senate....OMG.

codswal wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 9:17am:


On the contrary GREENS voters WONT BE CHANGING our votes, if anything it will increase now that the rest of the population can see that it is bullsh1t that only the two major parties can govern.
I also expect more independents to get up, viva la revolution.
In fact if a new poll is called the likes of GET UP will be advocating for people to vote the same again just to show you rusted on old party voters your days of ruining this country are over.

Significantly more, like 51.5-48.5 (don’t have exact figures but it was major.)

Arch Bevis is behind only a few votes and closing fast. He will retain the seat.

Bob Katter sees himself as an old time union man and his seat is a Labor/Indep seat mostly held by Katter snr & jnr with a labor guy in between (Rob Hulls, now a Vic MP and Minister.)

Darwin wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 9:44am:


There wont be a need for another election, and despite Gillards smear-scare campaign, re- her last grapple for seats, and Abbott not wishing to divulge his costings prematurely, (understandable, as Labor only want to snoop)... this is not grounds enough to send us back to the polls and Australians will be very pissed off if Shortens mother-in-law insists, of which in turn wont win them anymore seats, rather will just reinforce what we already thought.

Australians had had a gut-full of this BS, and have clearly stated their preferred PM....3/4 Australians prefer Abbott as their PM, why cant Labor lose gracefully?

Clearly, Labors power-brokers ie, Bill Shorten don't like to lose, this and are just showing lousy sportsmanship...even if a Labors front Bencher Bill Shortens mother-in-law is  Governor General Quentin Bryce.  

Most Australians would love to see the back of her too.

She's a traitor and a hypocrite, when it's clear, she will facilitate her own son-in-law to becoming Australia's first President of a Republic Australia at all cost.

Australians have had their fill of a corrupt and familial Labor party.

Note...there is only one Independent pushing the "costings" notion, the other two are more concerned about a Gillard government imposing a mining tax.

I'm sure Tony has the situation well under control, he's an accomplished and experienced campaigner whereas Gillard, spends more time having make-overs with the Woman's Weekly requiring others (faceless-men) to machine her smear-election campaigns for her.

Even her policies are Obamas, she's a national embarrassment.

Are they her costings or did she borrow these from Obama too?

Darwin wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 10:01am:


Wont you be in for a rude shock!