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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Iran unveils first UAV (drone) Reply #15 - Aug 26^th, 2010 at 9:02pm abu_rashid wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 7:54am: soren, Quote: You sound like it's bad news. Still, good news. So you support the murder of scientists? You support blowing up people because they are working on military science projects? I'm ululating, mate.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Iran unveils first UAV (drone) Reply #16 - Aug 26^th, 2010 at 10:25pm Quote: I'm ululating, mate. You're definitely something-ating, but ulul wouldn't have been my first guess.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Iran unveils first UAV (drone) Reply #17 - Aug 26^th, 2010 at 10:26pm Quote: Israel is no military threat to any country. israle has no hegemonic ambition or terrirorial claims. Israel is a territorial claim.
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Reply #18 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 4:54am

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Israel *is* a territorial claim.

That's what happens when you side with the losers Abu, you lose ground.

It's almost arrogantly that the west has provided such a thin slice of land to Israel and kept confidence in Islam nations to respect democracy.

If the shoe were on the other foot, we'd be obliterated. Thanks God that Islamics are dumbass morons who wear slippers because they can't tie a shoelace.
Islam exists only at our behest, none other.
That's the truth and truth is God.

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Reply #19 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 7:33am

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Islam exists only at our behest, none other.
That's the truth and truth is God.

Islam exists because truth prevails over falsehood.

Islam exists because it obliterated the superpowers of it's day (The Romans and Persians) and it will continue to exist as it continues to thrust aside the next generation of wannabe superpowers (ie. the Soviets and Yanks).

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Reply #20 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 3:03pm

Soren wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 8:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 8:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 12:41am:

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 12:39pm:

Why does Persia insist on its own arms industry anyway?

It is a tool for peace, Insh'allah. It is a gesture of friendship.

Muslims who insist on getting even with Uncle do not understand the key lessons learned from the US's recent history.

It's not about superior military might, Beating Uncle at his own game is about playing on your own home ground and understanding, as Mao so elegantly put it, that the "weak shall overcome the strong." You beat Uncle by being lighter, more flexible, and being in there for the long haul. The drone in the picture is just a propaganda tool.

Why on earth anyone would defend the creation of a new arms race is beyond me.

Do you know - I have never quoted myself before. Mere plagiarism and vanity.

However, I also hate to admit I'm wr..., but I certainly am in this case. It's not my fault, of course.

The fundamental flaw in the above post (and the tone of this thread, I'm afraid) is the assumption that Iran is sticking it to Uncle. It's not.

What Iran is doing, insh'allah, is sticking it to Israel. But more importantly, it's attempting to cement its new-found hegemony in Central Asia. It looks like Iran didn't get the nukes it was after, but the only reason to have nukes would be to counter Israel. Which is a complete abstraction, because anyone who nukes anyone else in the Middle East will nuke themselves, as Israel well knows. It's all about bluff.

You ARE a Musulman stooge, after all, you Paki bugger.

Israel is no military threat to any country. israle has no hegemonic ambition or terrirorial claims.

The Pesrians, on the other hand, frighten the bejes... e... bemohammed out of the Muslim neighbourhood. Turkey doesn't want Persian hegemony. Araby doesn't. Egypt doesn't. Nobody except Persian client do.

Israel is irrelevant in the age-old Mulsim infighting.

You're doing yourself a disservice, old boy.

Kindly READ the posts you're critiquing before sending the missiles in.

I doubt I would see Israel as nice country after its various incursions, Mossad operations and so-called diplomacy. We see it as benign because it is no threat to US.

But if you lived next door, I'm sure you'd have a different perspective.

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Reply #21 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 3:05pm

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I doubt I would see Israel as nice country after its various incursions, Mossad operations and so-called diplomacy. We see it as benign because it is no threat to US.

It certainly pushes and bites the hand that feeds it at times, though. Israeli agents are frequently caught spying on the U.S and I'm pretty well convinced that Israelis purposely attacked the USS Liberty.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Iran unveils first UAV (drone) Reply #22 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 4:19pm abu_rashid wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 10:26pm: Quote: Israel is no military threat to any country. israle has no hegemonic ambition or terrirorial claims. Israel is a territorial claim. A claim that was granted by the legal authority over the territory.
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Reply #23 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 4:24pm

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 3:05pm:

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I doubt I would see Israel as nice country after its various incursions, Mossad operations and so-called diplomacy. We see it as benign because it is no threat to US.

I'm pretty well convinced that Israelis purposely attacked the USS Liberty.

To whose benefit?

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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Iran unveils first UAV (drone) Reply #24 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 4:29pm The motives have been fairly well discussed; there are a lot of competing theories. The entire thing is a fascinating little aspect of the Middle Eastern conflict.
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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Iran unveils first UAV (drone) Reply #25 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 4:33pm How badarse was Moshe Dayan though?!
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Reply #26 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 6:20pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 7:33am:

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Islam exists only at our behest, none other.
That's the truth and truth is God.

Islam exists because truth prevails over falsehood.

Islam exists because it obliterated the superpowers of it's day (The Romans and Persians) and it will continue to exist as it continues to thrust aside the next generation of wannabe superpowers (ie. the Soviets and Yanks).

Allah certainly has an unfathomable way of giving his nod of approval to the prevailing Muslim truth: he has kept Muslims in deep ignorance and poverty for centuries.

'thrust aside the next generation of wannabe superpowers', eh? But unable to 'thrust aside' all those puppet governments ruling over the Muslims. Go figure, as they say in Great Satanland.

The unmistakable symptom of the imported, mish-mash quality of Islamist politics (your mindset) is your language. It is a combination of the ascendant nazi ideology and Soviet agit-prop bombast. Like Islam itself, an unselfconscious parody of Judaism and Chritianity, your political rhetoric is a quaint and menacing throwback to European forms of psychosis. You can't be even mad in an original way. Sons of Ishmael, resentment is your lot. And your limit.

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Reply #27 - Aug 28^th, 2010 at 12:51am

Soren wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 4:19pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 10:26pm:

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Israel is no military threat to any country. israle has no hegemonic ambition or terrirorial claims.

Israel *is* a territorial claim.

A claim that was granted by the legal authority over the territory.

Ah, legal authority. And what about the legal authorities of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon? Or what about the UN? The UN have proposed several resolutions for Israel to give back the land seized in the 67 war and the war with Lebanon in the 80s.

Alas, if it wasn't for the US's Security Council veto power, which they used in most resolutions, they would have passed.

Just like the resolutions the US upheld for Saddam - and went to war for too.

See how the world works?

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Reply #28 - Aug 28^th, 2010 at 1:03am

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 7:33am:

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Islam exists only at our behest, none other.
That's the truth and truth is God.

Islam exists because truth prevails over falsehood.

Islam exists because it obliterated the superpowers of it's day (The Romans and Persians) and it will continue to exist as it continues to thrust aside the next generation of wannabe superpowers (ie. the Soviets and Yanks).

So Islam exists as a force for obliteration?

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. But most importantly: ignorance is strength.

If Islam's existence is propagated on endless war, it might as well join Dick Cheney and his golfing buddies.

Alas, I don't think it is, but I haven't taken the right medication. I think - and I stress that this is simply a thought - that there is much more to Islam than this.

But Soren's a Christian, so I guess anything's possible.

Perhaps you have more in common than you originally thought?

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Reply #29 - Aug 28^th, 2010 at 10:06am

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So Islam exists as a force for obliteration?

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. But most importantly: ignorance is strength.

Unlike Christianity, Islam is a "down to earth" religion. It is not self-deceiving, claiming to be all peace loving and turning the other cheek and all this crap, and then smiting everyone it comes across.

Islam recognises that there is times when war will be necessary, and it regulates that accordingly. It does not deny this fact of human nature, but like with all things it demands fairness and restraint in enacting it.

The Romans and Persians both wanted to crush the fledgling Muslim state, and so Islam obliterated them.

On the other hand, the Abyssinians who were a kind and peaceful Christian nation, and had actually offered refuge to the Muslims when they were persecuted in Makkah were left as is, even though they were closer to the Muslims in proximity than either Romans or Persians.

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If Islam's existence is propagated on endless war, it might as well join Dick Cheney and his golfing buddies.

Alas, I don't think it is, but I haven't taken the right medication. I think - and I stress that this is simply a thought - that there is much more to Islam than this.

Islam seeks to live in peace, but not with those who are warmongers. It will challenge, oppose and obliterate them. No Pharaoh is safe so long as a single Muslim breathes, and the Pharaohs of today know this too well.

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But Soren's a Christian, so I guess anything's possible.

Perhaps you have more in common than you originally thought?

I don't think so. Christianity and Islam are poles apart. Islam is an honest and straight down the line religion, Christianity is nothing but a barrel of deception and lies, that promotes itself as peace loving and cheek turning, when in fact it's entire history until this very day tells us the complete opposite.

So yes both Islam and Christianity can wage war, but one does it in an honest, open and restrained way out of necessity, whilst the other does it in a deceptive and mischievous way out of greed and a desire to control all people and their resources.

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