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Re: Another Boat
Reply #90 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 2:53pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 2:23pm:

mozzaok wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:59pm:

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though many of the cruelties of the Apartheid regime cannot simply be excused.

Historically Africa has been a very violent place, as has most of the world.
With the advancement of civilisation, we saw western europe develop into a more orderly society, but that did not happen over night, it happened over centuries.
Even with our advanced secular democracies, the west still has the capability of creating bloody mayhem in the world from time to time, so to claim the moral highground in relation to violent behaviour, for the white, western races, along genetic grounds, may be just a bit presumptuous.

Just to play devils advocate Cheesy

Africa is the cradle of civillization, whilst Europeans were huddled in caves spit drawing the Egyptians had advanced maths & astrology, surgery & libraries not to mention the pyramids
The earliest human remains are found in Africa around Rwanda.
So Moz how is it whites of Europe formed a civilized society & overcame the tribal bloodshed when Africian's had close to 1000 years more than them to achieve this?

No dsmithy, Africa is the cradle of the Human Species.....

The Tigris/ Euphrates Basin is the Cradle of Civilization.....Mesopotamia, Babylon, etc....

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Re: Another Boat
Reply #91 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 2:56pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 2:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 2:23pm:

mozzaok wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:59pm:

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though many of the cruelties of the Apartheid regime cannot simply be excused.

Historically Africa has been a very violent place, as has most of the world.
With the advancement of civilisation, we saw western europe develop into a more orderly society, but that did not happen over night, it happened over centuries.
Even with our advanced secular democracies, the west still has the capability of creating bloody mayhem in the world from time to time, so to claim the moral highground in relation to violent behaviour, for the white, western races, along genetic grounds, may be just a bit presumptuous.

Just to play devils advocate Cheesy

Africa is the cradle of civillization, whilst Europeans were huddled in caves spit drawing the Egyptians had advanced maths & astrology, surgery & libraries not to mention the pyramids
The earliest human remains are found in Africa around Rwanda.
So Moz how is it whites of Europe formed a civilized society & overcame the tribal bloodshed when Africian's had close to 1000 years more than them to achieve this?

No dsmithy, Africa is the cradle of the Human Species.....

The Tigris/ Euphrates Basin is the Cradle of Civilization.....Mesopotamia, Babylon, etc....

I stand corrected you,Imp & Moz are right I got my species & civilizations crossed Sad

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Re: Another Boat
Reply #92 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 6:16pm

A few more boat people, big deal, many more come by plane and the rest of the world have much larger influxes of asylum seekers than we do.
Boat people are just being treated as political footballs and are no threat to this county and are well down the list when it comes to important issues that effect our day to day lives.
Try jumping up and down every time an international flight lands in Australia because many more asylum seekers come that way.
If you want to stop asylum seekers then you need to cure famine, stop rape and torture and stop all the wars and corruption in the world..because only then will you stop desperate people feeling from their homelands.

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Cyberman Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 391	Re: Another Boat Reply #93 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 6:19pm Another "open our borders" maniac
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Another Boat Reply #94 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 6:34pm I find it hard to believe that anyone would find the arrival of few thousand boat people asylum seekers a year a major priority. Its a drop in the bucket when it comes to asylum seeker arrivals to this country and a tiny speck when it comes to the world wide movement of asylum seekers.
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Re: Another Boat
Reply #95 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 7:06pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 6:34pm:

I find it hard to believe that anyone would find the arrival of few thousand boat people asylum seekers a year a major priority.

Yet they do.
People hate free loaders, people hate people who come here and take from the system having paid in zero.

If it weren't an issue it wouldn't have got the airtime and both major parties scrambling to battle the issue.

It was an issue because people do have it as a priority.

We simply don't want third world garbage coming here and taking funds which we can allocate to real Australian people who have paid into the country.

That is fact. People care.
Rightfully so.

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Re: Another Boat
Reply #97 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 8:12pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

If you want to stop asylum seekers then you need to cure famine, stop rape and torture and stop all the wars and corruption in the world..because only then will you stop desperate people feeling from their homelands.

You mean the west should re-colonise the third world and resume civilising them? I actually agree with that.

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Reply #98 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 8:17pm

I don't. Because if it fails then we'll be back to square one. The liberal complainers will accuse us all over again of causing all the problems there and it'll be a further impetus for more immigration from there. Just leave Africans alone and let them sort their own problems out. That's their business, not ours.

A lot of the colonies were net drains anyway in that they cost more money than they actually brought in. It's why Bismarck was reluctant to create an overseas empire.

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deepthought Gold Member Offline In Defence Of Liberty Posts: 2869	Re: Another Boat Reply #99 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 8:37pm skippy. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:31pm: I must have been bought up in a different country to you as I was always told to accept people for who they are skippy. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:31pm: Arrrrrrrrrr South Afica, say no more. Oh the irony
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Re: Another Boat
Reply #100 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 8:41pm

Tell me, those who support the illegal people smugglers, what would you say to the person who hasn't got the loot to give to the people smugglers and is destined to stay in the hell of a refugee camp each time a queue jumper hands over his cash to the criminal gangs who organise people smuggling?

What words do you use to explain that they aren't that important to you as you prefer to take those who have shouldered them aside?

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Re: Another Boat
Reply #101 - Aug 25^th, 2010 at 7:25am

adelcrow wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 6:34pm:

I find it hard to believe that anyone would find the arrival of few thousand boat people asylum seekers a year a major priority.
Its a drop in the bucket when it comes to asylum seeker arrivals to this country and a tiny speck when it comes to the world wide movement of asylum seekers.

I think you will find the priority is about stopping foreign criminal gangs from smuggling people.
Even John Howards government took in 13,000 migrants and asylum seekers in the year he put the smugglers out of business.
Whether you like it or not, whether it's smuggling drugs, sex slaves or economic refugees, it doesn't matter.
All three are illegal in most nations in the world.

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Cyberman Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 391	Re: Another Boat Reply #102 - Aug 25^th, 2010 at 8:14am Labor has always been about propping up dodgy antics. I wouldn't be surprised if they were getting kickbacks from the smugglers
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