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Re: Another Boat
Reply #60 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:28pm

People who point out that Australians are hypocrites because they didn't complain about groups the Jews arriving here as refugees, or wouldn't complain if New Zealanders were the people showing up on our shores are completely missing the point or are just pretending they are. Of course we care more about groups like Jews or New Zealanders than the types who arrive on the boats now. Our compassion is portioned out in a concentric circle fashion with our own immediate family in the dead center, our extended family in ring outside of that, etc ad nauseum. The kind of people who constitute the "boat people" are in one of the far outer rings. People care more about certain people than other people; it's a fact of nature. Shocked

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Reply #61 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:29pm

skippy. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:23pm:

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France, like Britain, has a considerable Muslim problem with which it is grappling.

Its only a problem because they're Muslim, you really dont get it. you are so consumed by your hatred and xenophobe beliefs that reality just doesn't rate a mention.

You`ll never work it out tip skip, not until they starve and abuse you, and kick your door down you low infidel.

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Reply #62 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:30pm

skippy. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:22pm:

That will be because you were brought up in a different country to me.

But that's by the by.

I do not want people who can add no value to the country, who arrive with nothing, who are socially disruptive and who are culturally unsuitable to the fabric of the country.

These boat people fail in my book on all counts.

With a nick like yours that doesn't surprise me, I expect you left your former fascist led dictatorship but forgot to leave your fascist beliefs with it.

On the contrary my parents are from Great Britain and the Republic of South Africa.
Neither have ever had a fascist leader.

In fact both were fervently anti fascist and anti communist under Thatcher and Botha.

Strong border controls are not fascist, they are sensible.

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Reply #63 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:31pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:22pm:

mozzaok wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:20pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:13pm:

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:10pm:

oh dear what's going to happen to us if we violate the sacred refugee treaty Shocked

will we be sent to nation jail or something?

NO, but the rest of the world will know once and for all that the Australian people are all like you, xenophobic red necks.
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I disagree that ALL who choose a lack of compassion and concern for fellow human beings are xenophobic rednecks, I think a lot are just poorly informed, or misinformed, and struggle to define the line between respecting and caring for your own country and culture, and becoming overly zealous in promoting that to a point where their actions become counter productive, and they actually hurt us by creating a view that we are all intolerant extremists.

Grow a pair, or the intolerant extremists you grovel to will rule your children wirth an iron fist.

And which intolerant extremist might that be aussie?
You? Grin

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Reply #64 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:31pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:30pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:22pm:

That will be because you were brought up in a different country to me.

But that's by the by.

I do not want people who can add no value to the country, who arrive with nothing, who are socially disruptive and who are culturally unsuitable to the fabric of the country.

These boat people fail in my book on all counts.

With a nick like yours that doesn't surprise me, I expect you left your former fascist led dictatorship but forgot to leave your fascist beliefs with it.

On the contrary my parents are from Great Britain and the Republic of South Africa.
Neither have ever had a fascist leader.

In fact both were fervently anti fascist and anti communist under Thatcher and Botha.

Strong border controls are not fascist, they are sensible.

Arrrrrrrrrr South Afica, say no more.

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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Another Boat Reply #66 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:33pm Quote: Arrrrrrrrrr South Afica, say no more. That wicked, white racist nation that for some reason had thousands of Africans attempting to illegally escape into it DURING apartheid
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Reply #67 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:33pm

mozzaok wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:31pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:22pm:

mozzaok wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:20pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:13pm:

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:10pm:

oh dear what's going to happen to us if we violate the sacred refugee treaty Shocked

will we be sent to nation jail or something?

NO, but the rest of the world will know once and for all that the Australian people are all like you, xenophobic red necks.
.

I disagree that ALL who choose a lack of compassion and concern for fellow human beings are xenophobic rednecks, I think a lot are just poorly informed, or misinformed, and struggle to define the line between respecting and caring for your own country and culture, and becoming overly zealous in promoting that to a point where their actions become counter productive, and they actually hurt us by creating a view that we are all intolerant extremists.

Grow a pair, or the intolerant extremists you grovel to will rule your children wirth an iron fist.

And which intolerant extremist might that be aussie?
You? Grin

In Britain we had a scenario where the head of the Finsbury Park Mosque, who declared Muslims should rise up and support Iraq and hated Britain - when Jordan asked for his extradition on terror charges he asked Britain to not send him because he faced execution.

This is the sort of rubbish we are used to putting up with now.

Parts of Britain dont even look like our country anymore, we may as well be in Baghdad.

It's a crying shame what we have allowed to happen.

It is not too late for Australia to lock the gate and keep this lot out.

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Reply #68 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:34pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 12:42pm:

Darwin wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 12:28pm:

I repeat, what is so bad about a few boatloads of refugees arriving here to seek asylum?

Well I throw it back to you - why should we accept them? Why?

Here's why we shouldn't -

1) They arrive with no skills so can't contribute effectively to the tax pool.

2) They arrive with no assets. So WE the people have to pay for them from day 0 (provide housing, benefits etc) - bear in mind they have paid NOTHING towards all this.

3) They have just turned up on a boat expecting to be let in. Those who have come from Sri Lanka etc have by-passed numerous third countries and even set off from third countries to get here.

4) They are culturally unsuited to Australia. Hence with the violent African gangs and Somali ghettos arising - they have come from lawless countries and their teenage thugs are not used to law and order.

In short the people are a nuisance, they are not wanted, they cost us money, they are socially destructive and they add nothing to the country.

They are rubbish.

So, xenophobia and racism is why you want the boats stopped.

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Reply #69 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:35pm

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:33pm:

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Arrrrrrrrrr South Afica, say no more.

That wicked, white racist nation that for some reason had thousands of Africans attempting to illegally escape into it DURING apartheid Grin

A nasty evil anti-black nation that had a higher living standard and education level for black people than any of it's 'free' neighbours....

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Reply #70 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:36pm

Didn't Apartheid South Africa have more black millionaires than any other country in the world? I remember reading somewhere that there were more cars amongst Blacks there than there was cars in the entire Soviet Union.

South Africa is getting what it deserves now though. Just a few more years and the transformation will be complete.

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Reply #71 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:40pm

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:36pm:

Didn't Apartheid South Africa have more black millionaires than any other country in the world? I remember reading somewhere that there were more cars amongst Blacks there than there was cars in the entire Soviet Union.

South Africa is getting what it deserves now though. Just a few more years and the transformation will be complete.

South Africa is getting exactly what was always predicted to happen.

I mean we had the entire rest of the continent to see what happens when black majority rule occurs.

Debt, disease, internal war, corruption and poverty.

Black Africa in a nutshell.

They had no idea just how good they had it.

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Reply #73 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:42pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 12:42pm:

Darwin wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 12:28pm:

I repeat, what is so bad about a few boatloads of refugees arriving here to seek asylum?

Well I throw it back to you - why should we accept them? Why?

Here's why we shouldn't -

1) They arrive with no skills so can't contribute effectively to the tax pool.

2) They arrive with no assets. So WE the people have to pay for them from day 0 (provide housing, benefits etc) - bear in mind they have paid NOTHING towards all this.

3) They have just turned up on a boat expecting to be let in. Those who have come from Sri Lanka etc have by-passed numerous third countries and even set off from third countries to get here.

4) They are culturally unsuited to Australia. Hence with the violent African gangs and Somali ghettos arising - they have come from lawless countries and their teenage thugs are not used to law and order.

In short the people are a nuisance, they are not wanted, they cost us money, they are socially destructive and they add nothing to the country.

They are rubbish.

Settle down andrei, who else is going to bring back the trolleys from the carpark into Coles & Woolies.
Get real, someone has to be in the trolley posse.
You don't really expect 'us' to do it do you?
Australia has a great need for these uneducated untrained unskilled non English speaking spear sharpeners & goat herders to help us get over this nations chronic skills shortage that we have.

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Reply #74 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:44pm

Sth Africa refused to change, until change was forced upon them.
If they had acted more compassionately, far earlier, as a personal moral choice made by it's people, rather than resisting all the influences from within and outside it's country, it would be a very, very different place today.
If you push people to the point where revolution seems a viable option, then you have already lost.

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