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Reply #15 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:43pm
 
Yes, what we need is an interim military government.
Martial law is the best.
Curfews, public executions and lots of troops with guns wandering about asking for ID.
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Reply #16 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:51pm
 
Australians are not like that and those things would not happen here. Our military is excellent as are the Australian Chiefs of Staff, and they are responsible to the Monarch as well.
If this continues, especially if there is a global meltdown on the political and economic front, and we are left with this mess, we will be viewed as vulnerable.
We need to be able to show a cogent government, even a military administration in the face of a situation like that.
If democracy has failed in this country, you still need a government.
The only other option is a military protectorate in the interim.
I hope Quentin Bryce obtains advice on this. Air Chief Marshall Angus Houston and the joint Chiefs of Staff would be excellent interim leaders. They are gentlemen of the highest calibre.
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Reply #17 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:53pm
 
In fact, I think people should email Buckingham Palace immediately, as  concerned Australians, to ask the Queen to do exactly that.
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Reply #18 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:57pm
 
What's it like to take all this so seriously?

I can only imagine it must suck.
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Reply #19 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:01pm
 
it sucks because it IS so serious, mate. You are living in a country that has some of the most valuable resources in the world, a tiny population and no bloody government. You need to get your mind out of the computer games, mate, and serious up. This is not a game, it is a real problem.
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Reply #20 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:03pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:39pm:
This country needs to keep a monarchy for exactly situations like this. That is exactly what it is there for. Although most people don't really think so, or see this in the total perspective for what it is, Australia is a new country and a new experiment. It has always had a very strong undercurrent of extreme leftism. This situation has been evolving now since Federation in 1901, and this situation is just another step and result in the process. Australia is an experiment. If there was no monarchy of this country now, as you can see to "take the heat off" just by virtue of being able to consider that "Quentin Bryce is seeking advice", then in other countries, situations like this can descend very quickly into civil and military conflict. That won't happen here in all likelihood, because there is a monarch was has the legal right to appoint a government. It may come to that, and I hope it does, because this country at present is vulnerable. Any country in this sort of governmental stalemate is. We may need an interim military Commonwealth Guard if this cannot be resolved and resolved functionally.  We have absolutely top class and sensible military commanders more than capable of seeing to the job, and more capable than most of the civil politicians actually.


That is total rubbish. The GG (or a president witht he same powers) is all we need to resolve such simple matters as this. Many other countries have hung parliaments at EVERY election and they survive quite ok. It is a new experience for us but it probably wont happen for another 50 years after this time!
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Reply #21 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:04pm
 
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Surely they have some idea about the undecided ones. It doesn't take that long
- Vanessa

Actually it does Vanessa, if they are very, very close that is.
The cut off for postal votes is not until next Tuesday, so some seats may not be decided until after that date.

It is noteworthy to see all the coalition supporters who just assumed the independents would side with Abbot, and claimed victory, on election night,, in as undignified and ungracious way as could be imagined, now bleating about intervention by the Queen, and/or The Army, and that is truly pathetic.
We have constitutional laws that define the procedure from here in, and they will be followed, as they should be, irrespective of the appalling bad will and lack of grace displayed by so many Coalition supporters.
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Reply #22 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:05pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:51pm:
Australians are not like that and those things would not happen here. Our military is excellent as are the Australian Chiefs of Staff, and they are responsible to the Monarch as well.
If this continues, especially if there is a global meltdown on the political and economic front, and we are left with this mess, we will be viewed as vulnerable.
We need to be able to show a cogent government, even a military administration in the face of a situation like that.
If democracy has failed in this country, you still need a government.
The only other option is a military protectorate in the interim.
I hope Quentin Bryce obtains advice on this. Air Chief Marshall Angus Houston and the joint Chiefs of Staff would be excellent interim leaders. They are gentlemen of the highest calibre.


Good grief. that is even STUPID than your last post! we all ready have a functioning govt - the labor one. without a parliament in place they are extremely limited in what they can do but they are still functioning for the at most 2 weeks this wil take to resolve itself. stop panicing, you sound silly!
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Reply #23 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:06pm
 
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it sucks because it IS so serious, mate. You are living in a country that has some of the most valuable resources in the world, a tiny population and no bloody government. You need to get your mind out of the computer games, mate, and serious up. This is not a game, it is a real problem.


Nup. I'm still not worried.

Give it a few days, a week, two weeks.... things will sort themselves out. While we wait we have a caretaker government.

Whoever ends up in the top job... Liberals, Labor.... and a few independents.... suck it and see how it works out for while...

No matter what happens..... life goes on.
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Reply #24 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:07pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:04pm:
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Surely they have some idea about the undecided ones. It doesn't take that long
- Vanessa

Actually it does Vanessa, if they are very, very close that is.
The cut off for postal votes is not until next Tuesday, so some seats may not be decided until after that date.

It is noteworthy to see all the coalition supporters who just assumed the independents would side with Abbot, and claimed victory, on election night,, in as undignified and ungracious way as could be imagined, now bleating about intervention by the Queen, and/or The Army, and that is truly pathetic.
We have constitutional laws that define the procedure from here in, and they will be followed, as they should be, irrespective of the appalling bad will and lack of grace displayed by so many Coalition supporters.


not ALL lib supporters. in fact, it only sounds like one. and i will trade you him for Equitist in the 'extremist crazy' stakes any day!
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Reply #25 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:09pm
 
Tell Quentin Bryce, she's the one seeking advice.

There is no guarantee that any outcome here will be stable, and no guarantee that another election or another one after that will show any different result or one that is acceptable to everyone.

It is not a matter of panic at all, it is simply a matter of considering what the options are.

Democracy is an experiment, the people need to see that it succeeds. Prior to democracies, there was monarchical government. What is so outlandish about that? It is historical fact; monarchical governments used the military and a bureaucracy, instead of a parliament.
Very simple.
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Reply #26 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:09pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:06pm:
Nup. I'm still not worried.

Give it a few days, a week, two weeks.... things will sort themselves out. While we wait we have a caretaker government.

Whoever ends up in the top job... Liberals, Labor.... and a few independents.... suck it and see how it works out for while...

No matter what happens..... life goes on.


Exactly! this is not some tinpot 3rd world pseudo democracy like Fiji. we have greatly entrenched rules and conventions for such times as these. I would support Gilalrd for PM before Id support a military govt. Stiff that Id support Bob Brown (ugh) for PM over that as well.

Talk about some insanity!!!!
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Reply #27 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:18pm
 
don't panic! We are not Fiji, we have an excellent, competent, professional and very humanitarian military in all services. AND, we are lucky enough to have a Monarch who has the right to protect us by allowing an interim government.
I would very much welcome that development right now. It would send an extremely good counterbalance view to the world that we are mature enough and have quality military personnel to entrust our Commonwealth to their care until the civil politicians sort it out.
This has happened before, in 1940 (not that I was around, if that makes you feel any better!), right before the second world war. Then, our military protected us.
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Reply #28 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:41pm
 
see, one of the major problems in this country is all the people who vote for these tin-pot minority parties with stupid, flippant agendas who have no chance whatsoever of getting into government, but who simply fracture the community vote and stop the majors from getting enough to govern in their right.
So, go ahead folks, it's all a big funny game isn't it, you keep voting for all the idiot little parties and you will see that this is the eventual outcome.
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Reply #29 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:55pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:43pm:
Yes, what we need is an interim military government.
Martial law is the best.
Curfews, public executions and lots of troops with guns wandering about asking for ID.


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