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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:01am Has Abbott won a mandate to lead his own Party!? Discuss. PS No, this isn't just mischief-making - I've been looking at the swings and TPP results for Abbott, Hockey and Turnbull and they reveal an interesting picture. More details soon...
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Reply #1 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:10am

Judging by who is supporting Abbott within the Coalition we can expect to see some hard right fascism coming from Abbott and his cronies.....the right wing of the Liberal party are behind Abbott and will drive his agenda......Abbott and fascist Barbie will now repay their right wing mates for their support....well done Australia.....you will get what you deserve!!!

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Reply #2 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:15am

Some really mad ravings there you too. Thanks for the belly laughs.
Australia has rejected the Stalinist one term wonders.
I don`t believe the Liberals were born to rule, but it certainly appears that the ALP was born for opposition. Not enough Australians were taken in by the spin and fibs. The crazy excesses of the Labor party hurt the country too much.

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Reply #3 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:18am I hear you Phil, but I'm not so sure that Abbott is safe at the helm - and in spite of all the recent rhetoric about knifing a popularly-elected Leader... After all, Abbott's ascension was somewhat of an accidental default-cum-stopgap measure...
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Reply #4 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:21am

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:15am:

Some really mad ravings there you too. Thanks for the belly laughs.
Australia has rejected the Stalinist one term wonders.
I don`t believe the Liberals were born to rule, but it certainly appears that the ALP was born for opposition. Not enough Australians were taken in by the spin and fibs. The crazy excesses of the Labor party hurt the country too much.

Settle down for a little while, AF2R...have you looked at the swing and TPP figures, in the respective seats of Abbott, Jockstrap and Talksbull!?

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Reply #5 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:28am

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:21am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:15am:

Some really mad ravings there you too. Thanks for the belly laughs.
Australia has rejected the Stalinist one term wonders.
I don`t believe the Liberals were born to rule, but it certainly appears that the ALP was born for opposition. Not enough Australians were taken in by the spin and fibs. The crazy excesses of the Labor party hurt the country too much.

Settle down for a little while, AF2R...have you looked at the swing and TPP figures, in the respective seats of Abbott, Jockstrap and Talksbull!?

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Reply #6 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:30am

According to the ABC's election web-site, these are the outcomes in each of the relevant wannabe Lib Leaders' seats...

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/electorateresults.htm

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77.8% counted.

Last updated Sun Aug 22 01:32AM

Time Count % Electorate Held By Margin 2PP % Swing

Malcolm Turnbull
23:25 71.3 Wentworth L/NP 3.9 65.8 12.0% to LIB

Joe Hockey

21:23 72.9 North Sydney L/NP 5.5 64.8 9.3% to LIB

Tony Abbott
23:23 77.0 Warringah L/NP 8.8 63.8 5.0% to LIB

Who was/is the most popularly-elected of these 3 - certainly NOT Abbott!?

Moreover, Abbott only won the dodgy interim leadership spill by one vote and Joe Jockstrap wasn't even officially in the running...

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Reply #7 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:40am Speaking of Abbott, ABC24 just flashed up an alert that he will be speaking to the media shortly...
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52959 At my desk.	Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Reply #8 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:43am I think you are trying to read a bit too much into those numbers.
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Reply #9 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 11:00am

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:43am:

I think you are trying to read a bit too much into those numbers.

Maybe - but, given the bizarre circumstances under which Abbott came to the head job, and the likelihood that Turnbull and Hockey had some sort of pact for a future coup: don't you reckon that Turnbull and/or Hockey (and their many internal moderate supporters) will be looking at those numbers and canvassing all options!?

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Reply #10 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 11:06am

I think you'd have to be clinically insane to suggest that last night was anything other than a triumph for Tony Abbott, a triumph for Bob Brown and an unmitigated disaster for Julia Gillard.

We look like hopefully having a Liberal Prime Minister again.

Just one term after opposition.

Just 10 months after looking like the Liberals were going to lose 20 seats.

Instead we have killed off any carbon scheme too!

It's bloody good times!

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Reply #11 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 11:16am

Hockey and Turnbull got bigger swings than Abbott and let's face it, are more popular guys. But Abbott successfully led the Coalition from shambles to possibly taking government back after just one term. That is pretty remarkable. That shows he has great leadership skills. He may not be the most popular Liberal in the country but he is probably their most competent leader. You need a leader in the leadership role, not just your most popular guy. Tony Abbott has more than earned the right to lead.

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Reply #12 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 11:18am

BobH wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 11:16am:

Hockey and Turnbull got bigger swings than Abbott and let's face it, are more popular guys. But Abbott successfully led the Coalition from shambles to possibly taking government back after just one term. That is pretty remarkable. That shows he has great leadership skills. He may not be the most popular Liberal in the country but he is probably their most competent leader. You need a leader in the leadership role, not just your most popular guy. Tony Abbott has more than earned the right to lead.

That's an excellent point.
Brendan Nelson would have enjoyed a huge swing too.

He was a very well liked guy, but a terrible political leader.

Leaders need to be made of stronger stuff than being nice.

Abbott has led a successful campaign.
Gillard has not.

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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Reply #13 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:17pm As much as you love Turnbull, the proof is in the pudding. Turnbull was getting smashed as the opposition leader, Abbott took them from a 10 year wilderness to a possible victory. As much as you dont like the guy, you have to admit he has done great things for the Libs in this campaign.
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Reply #14 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:29pm

Verge wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:17pm:

As much as you love Turnbull, the proof is in the pudding.

Turnbull was getting smashed as the opposition leader, Abbott took them from a 10 year wilderness to a possible victory.

As much as you dont like the guy, you have to admit he has done great things for the Libs in this campaign.

It doesn't matter whether or not I personally like Abbott, it matters whether the ELECTORATE likes and trusts the Liberal Party's accidental/interim leader...

An objective look at the 2010 election figures for Abbott, Turnbull and Hockey should be cause for great concern for the Liberal powermongers...

Malcolm Turnbull - TPP 65.8%, 12.0% swing

Joe Hockey - TPP 64.8%, 9.3% swing

Tony Abbott - TPP 63.8%, 5.0% swing

Seriously, a mere 5% swing to a LibLab leader seems extraordinarily low to me - and in the electoral popularity-stakes, Abbott is clearly the least user-friendly of the 3...

Moreover, the most (3.8%) of the 5.5% leakage from the Labs was soaked up by the Greens and Independents - not the Abbott Libs who only gained 1.8%...

Hmmnnn....those figures might largely explain, why media-manic Action Man Abbo has gone AWOL today...

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