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Reply #45 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:00pm
 
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And neither did 99% of 1920's Germans who were sick of Jews, I'd bet... And yet...


Should have paid more attention. The agenda of the Nazis was fairly obvious; explicit, in fact.

I try not to make inferences too distantly from what people say and make personally clear. Saying that journalists, pundits and politicians like Steve Sailer et al have sinister motives, on the magnitude of those of a certain German dictator, just from having a "really bad feeling about them", or misrepresenting or disfiguring their actual statements into grotesque travesties of themselves, appears to be nothing more to me (not specifically referring to you) than a deliberate attempt to shut down and defame anybody who disagrees with a certain political and philosophical orthodoxy. I think it's sick and I'll have no part in it, thank you.
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Reply #47 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:10pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:00pm:
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And neither did 99% of 1920's Germans who were sick of Jews, I'd bet... And yet...


Should have paid more attention. The agenda of the Nazis was fairly obvious.

The rhetoric of the Nazis was out there (and even that they moderated when expedient)... Few in 1920's Germany believed that a crime unprecedented in thousands of years of human history could have sprung from "good old-fashioned European anti-Semitism"

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I try not to make inferences too distantly from what people say and make personally clear. Saying that journalists, pundits and politicians like Steve Sailer et al have sinister motives, on the magnitude of those of a certain German dictator, just from having a "really bad feeling about them" appears to be nothing more to me (not specifically referring to you) than a deliberate attempt to shut down and defame anybody who disagrees with a certain political and philosophical orthodoxy. I think it's sick and I'll have no part in it, thank you.

My point is that our acts of omission and commission, born of what we fear, have undesirable consequences beyond that which we would intend or, more to the point, can control.
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Reply #48 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:15pm
 
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My point is that our acts of omission and commission, born of what we fear, have undesirable consequences beyond that which we would intend.


I don't dispute that at all. Every view we hold, and every statement we make (especially as we are prone as human beings to comment on things that are vastly beyond our comprehension or personal knowledge) have both negative and positive consequences.

Though given how little we all actually know, the negatives usually outweigh the positives by a wide margin.
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Reply #49 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:21pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:15pm:
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My point is that our acts of omission and commission, born of what we fear, have undesirable consequences beyond that which we would intend.


I don't dispute that at all. Every view we hold, and every statement we make (especially as we are prone as human beings to comment on things that are vastly beyond our comprehension or personal knowledge) has both negative and positive consequences.

All the more more incumbent on us then to be sure we do not project our personal fears, lest they be misused by those among us who crave personal power before the greater good.
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Reply #50 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:32pm
 



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Reply #51 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:32pm
 
There's always a risk there though; in that our fears and anxieties may in fact be urgent and legitimate, and thus warranting of a seeing to. Whether you are entirely right, or I am entirely right, or we're both a little bit right or both entirely wrong, whatever route that we take is inevitably going to result in us being bombarded by a host of trifling as well as severe problems.
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Reply #52 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:43pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:32pm:
There's always a risk there though; in that our fears and anxieties may in fact be urgent and legitimate

Name them... Your urgent fears (or those things that require immediate remediation to restore your sense of ontological security), such that they require national attention... Would one of them really be - boats arriving from Indonesia or non-white immigration?

All politicians need platforms - a soap box - upon which they reflect back at us what we're sometimes only vaguely aware we have projected. Their rhetoric is often dangerous in that it can give legitimacy to radical or (in case of the boat people issue) 19th century solutions to 21st century problems.
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Reply #53 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:49pm
 
I'm not afraid of the boat people, no. I'm not sure "afraid" is the word I would use to describe my sentiments on non-white immigration either.

If I lived in the United States, yes, I would have a sense of fear for the potential (and, current, palpable) implications of its totally self-destructive, suicidal, immigration policy. If I lived in Europe, particularly, a country like France, yes, I would "fear" what the future of my country would look like under a Muslim majority population, or even a sizable Muslim minority. I don't think even you would disagree with the last one. Australia's situation is more complicated and I feel may require deeper investigation before I can make any (proper) moderately strong statements on it, in one way or another.
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Reply #54 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 4:06pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:49pm:
I'm not afraid of the boat people, no. I'm not sure "afraid" is the word I would use to describe my sentiments on non-white immigration either.

And it's in those moments when we're verbalising (intellectualising) our fears, or what we mean by them, that certain politicians intuit what really drives our insecurities, transforming them into a platform... Hence "I will stop the boats".

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Reply #55 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 4:14pm
 
The whole boat people situation has provided a convenient niche for politicians who want to appear tough and appeal to anti-immigration sentiments, without actually opposing the bulk of immigration. It's a precarious tight-rope walk between the bogans and our corporate overlords (who always have an insatible thirst for immigrants).
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