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Reply #15 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:55pm

I'm just sick of non-white immigrants and immigrants in general. I've been toying with the idea of an ethnic status quo that mandates that we are allowed to take in non-white immigrants as long as the proportions in which they arrive cannot change the current ethnic balance of the country. I don't know what should be done about the boat people; it's a tricky situation, but I really don't like the idea of keeping them locked up. Allowing them provisional asylum until it is safe for them and their families to return home seems like the best answer for them, but even that is a problematic solution. The boat people aren't really a big blip on my radar screen though.

Certain groups should just not be allowed to arrive here, period, even if their arrival would not upset the ethnic status quo. Africans in particular fall under this category.

I don't trust our current government at all on this issue. Free debate is essentially banished on discussing these matters, and I've gpt a feeling that our officials are covering up or deliberately providing us with misleading statistics on the crime rates of certain groups.

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Reply #16 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:13pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:50pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 11:42am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:44am:

Look at it this way, these poor asylum seekers are presently very few in number, but if allowed to continue, the numbers have a high likelihood of growing massively. These people are displaced, without representation or protection, and prone to being brutalised and taken advantage of, they are being placed on boats that are considered disposable in Indonesia etc. These boats are death traps. The people smuggling business has the potential to become the "Armada of Death", they are not seaworthy.

Do you want this on your conscience? Wouldn`t you rather try to save the lives of many by discouraging this horrible practice? A hard line is needed here, once the news of the futility of this practice gets out, the people smuggling business will all but dry up.

Australians hostility towards asylum seekers arriving on boats is not motivated towards stopping them due to any fear or concern for their seaworthiness, it is motivated by an hysterical and irrational fear of invasion by cultural foreigners, atavistic of the Yellow Peril hysteria, for which the only solutions our politicians can offer is incarceration in deserts or transportation to remote islands, both themselves atavistic of another 19th century practise with which Australia has a unique experience.

There is no possibly of a sensible debate or discussion with this kind of irrelevant, neurotic rambling. Emotive, exagerative hysteria can make good comedy, but it`s a pointless WOFTAM most of the time.

Spruiking the image of Australians en masse troubled by the safety of arriving by boat from Indonesia is indicative of a duplicitous agenda. Little, if any, noise (outside of political rhetoric) has been about genuine concern for safety.

A senior Australian politician making it part of his platform "I will stop the boats" was about evoking a past generational Australian fear of invasion which has eaten its way into the cultural psyche. For Australians not to see the 'solution' to this problem - being transportation to a remote island - as evoking the spectre of a 19th century solution to a 19th century problem, indicates that we Australians are somewhat blind to our cultural responsibility.

When asked last week why he was banging on about boat people (as if it were the Spanish Armada), Abbott's first line was "Because Australians want the boats stopped"... That's why Abbott exploited the issue. He simply manipulated an innate Australian cultural paranoia to his perceived advantage... "Frighten them and they will run to the safety that I'm offering" - Repulsing the "invasion".

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Re: Sick of the Lefttards playing the race card?
Reply #17 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:17pm

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:55pm:

I'm just sick of non-white immigrants and immigrants in general. I've been toying with the idea of an ethnic status quo that mandates that we are allowed to take in non-white immigrants as long as the proportions in which they arrive cannot change the current ethnic balance of the country. I don't know what should be done about the boat people; it's a tricky situation, but I really don't like the idea of keeping them locked up. Allowing them provisional asylum until it is safe for them and their families to return home seems like the best option for everybody, but even that is a problematic solution. The boat people aren't really a big blip on my radar screen though.

Certain groups should just not be allowed to arrive here, period, even if their arrival would not upset the ethnic status quo. Africans in particular fall under this category.

I don't trust our current government at all on this issue. Free debate is essentially banished on discussing these matters, and I've gpt a feeling that our officials are covering up or deliberately providing us with misleading statistics on the crime rates of certain groups.

Ausralia is by population, a very small country, without the potential to support a big population. We can only make a token gesture for assylum seekers, the number of people Australia can support is too insignificant. I believe you to be right re the misleading statistics.

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Reply #18 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:17pm

Saying that we have a cultural responsibility to foreign aliens like the boat people has about as much foundation as me saying that we have a primary responsibility to white Australians not to let them in in the first place. We're really just talking about what we want here. The lives of the boat people don't have much value to me but I do sympathize with themto the extent that I don't want to have them locked up, nor do I want to send them to die.

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Ausralia is by population, a very small country, without the potential to support a big population. We can only make a token gesture for assylum seekers, the number of people Australia can support is too insignificant. I believe you to be right re the misleading statistics.

Yes, I don't really see why we need a bigger population either. If we are going to have an annual intake of immigrants it should be very small, and at the least, should be designed in such a way that does not upset the ethnic status quo. I really need to make a very lengthy article explaining why I think this but I have other responses pending elsewhere that are hard enough for me to provide a response to (due to a paucity of information presently available to me).

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Re: Sick of the Lefttards playing the race card?
Reply #19 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:20pm

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:55pm:

I'm just sick of non-white immigrants and immigrants in general. I've been toying with the idea of an ethnic status quo that mandates that we are allowed to take in non-white immigrants as long as the proportions in which they arrive cannot change the current ethnic balance of the country. I don't know what should be done about the boat people; it's a tricky situation, but I really don't like the idea of keeping them locked up. Allowing them provisional asylum until it is safe for them and their families to return home seems like the best answer for them, but even that is a problematic solution. The boat people aren't really a big blip on my radar screen though.

Certain groups should just not be allowed to arrive here, period, even if their arrival would not upset the ethnic status quo. Africans in particular fall under this category.

I don't trust our current government at all on this issue. Free debate is essentially banished on discussing these matters, and I've gpt a feeling that our officials are covering up or deliberately providing us with misleading statistics on the crime rates of certain groups.

Representative, I'm sure, of Australian anti-boaters.

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Reply #20 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:21pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:13pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:50pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 11:42am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:44am:

Look at it this way, these poor asylum seekers are presently very few in number, but if allowed to continue, the numbers have a high likelihood of growing massively. These people are displaced, without representation or protection, and prone to being brutalised and taken advantage of, they are being placed on boats that are considered disposable in Indonesia etc. These boats are death traps. The people smuggling business has the potential to become the "Armada of Death", they are not seaworthy.

Do you want this on your conscience? Wouldn`t you rather try to save the lives of many by discouraging this horrible practice? A hard line is needed here, once the news of the futility of this practice gets out, the people smuggling business will all but dry up.

Australians hostility towards asylum seekers arriving on boats is not motivated towards stopping them due to any fear or concern for their seaworthiness, it is motivated by an hysterical and irrational fear of invasion by cultural foreigners, atavistic of the Yellow Peril hysteria, for which the only solutions our politicians can offer is incarceration in deserts or transportation to remote islands, both themselves atavistic of another 19th century practise with which Australia has a unique experience.

There is no possibly of a sensible debate or discussion with this kind of irrelevant, neurotic rambling. Emotive, exagerative hysteria can make good comedy, but it`s a pointless WOFTAM most of the time.

Spruiking the image of Australians en masse troubled by the safety of arriving by boat from Indonesia is indicative of a duplicitous agenda. Little, if any, noise (outside of political rhetoric) has been about genuine concern for safety.

A senior Australian politician making it part of his platform "I will stop the boats" was about evoking a past generational Australian fear of invasion which has eaten its way into the cultural psyche. For Australians not to see the 'solution' to this problem - being transportation to a remote island - as evoking the spectre of a 19th century solution to a 19th century problem, indicates that we Australians are somewhat blind to our cultural responsibility.

When asked last week why he was banging on about boat people (as if it were the Spanish Armada), Abbott's first line was "Because Australians want the boats stopped"... That's why Abbott exploited the issue. He simply manipulated an innate Australian cultural paranoia to his perceived advantage... "Frighten them and they will run to the safety that I'm offering" - Repulsing the "invasion".

You are stranded o your own dogmatic treadmill. Like a pet mouse, you are incapable of exploring any other course, or train of thought.

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Re: Sick of the Lefttards playing the race card?
Reply #21 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:22pm

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:17pm:

Saying that we have a cultural responsibility to foreign aliens like the boat people has about as much foundation as me saying that we have a primary responsible to white Australians not to let them in in the first place. We're really just talking about what we want here. The lives of the boat people don't have much value to me but I do sympathize with them to the extent that I don't want to have them locked up or send them to die.

We have a cultural responsibility not to evoke the image of a dark chapter in Australian history - Incarceration of the destitute in desert and remote island prisons.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Sick of the Lefttards playing the race card? Reply #22 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:23pm aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:21pm: You are stranded o your own dogmatic treadmill. Like a pet mouse, you are incapable of exploring any other course, or train of thought. You are a conscious liar.
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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Sick of the Lefttards playing the race card? Reply #23 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:23pm Quote: Representative, I'm sure, of Australian anti-boaters. ??? Do Australian "anti-boaters" actually have views similiar to mine, in that they would prefer them not to be locked up or sent back home unless it was safe to do so?
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Reply #24 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:28pm

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:23pm:

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Representative, I'm sure, of Australian anti-boaters.

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Do Australian "anti-boaters" actually have views similiar to mine, in that they would prefer them not to be locked up or sent back home unless it was safe to do so?

Meant to quote only the opening sentence.

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I'm just sick of non-white immigrants and immigrants in general.

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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Sick of the Lefttards playing the race card? Reply #25 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:29pm Fair enough, I'm not disputing that. I don't really "hate" anybody though.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Sick of the Lefttards playing the race card? Reply #26 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:34pm aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:29pm: I don't really "hate" anybody though. Too close to love?
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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Sick of the Lefttards playing the race card? Reply #27 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:37pm I just like to think that my opinions on this, obviously highly controversial and incendiary theme, are a little more nuanced than those of Macca and Dave's down at the BP Garage outside of Wollongong (despite the fact that they are ultimately similiar in their objectives ).
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Reply #28 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:44pm

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:37pm:

I just like to think that my opinions on this, obviously highly controversial and incendiary theme, are a little more nuanced than those of Macca and Dave's down at the BP Garage outside of Wollongong (despite the fact that they are ultimately similiar in their objectives Tongue

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Akin to many Germans (and Poles) who, while being somewhat disconcerted by the early pogroms against Jews, nonetheless imagined what a nice place it would be if all the Jews somehow disappeared...

And a politician ultimately obliged them.

One can imagine Hitler, upon being asked why he was banging on about Jews Out, replying "Because the German people want the Jews out".

And he was right, they did. Anti-Semitism was/is an ancient cultural disease in Western Europe.

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Reply #29 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:49pm

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:17pm:

Saying that we have a cultural responsibility to foreign aliens like the boat people has about as much foundation as me saying that we have a primary responsibility to white Australians not to let them in in the first place. We're really just talking about what we want here. The lives of the boat people don't have much value to me but I do sympathize with themto the extent that I don't want to have them locked up, nor do I want to send them to die.

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Ausralia is by population, a very small country, without the potential to support a big population. We can only make a token gesture for assylum seekers, the number of people Australia can support is too insignificant. I believe you to be right re the misleading statistics.

Yes, I don't really see why we need a bigger population either. If we are going to have an annual intake of immigrants it should be very small, and at the least, should be designed in such a way that does not upset the ethnic status quo. I really need to make a very lengthy article explaining why I think this but I have other responses pending elsewhere that are hard enough for me to provide a response to (due to a paucity of information presently available to me).

I agree 100%, we should only be taking in limited numbers, and ONLY people from compatible backgrounds. I don`t care tf they`re black, brown, green, or yellow, providing they don`t pose a future threat to stability and internal peace.

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