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Re: Dear Monk/Darwin/Skippy/Mozz
Reply #60 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:14am

mantra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:08am:

deepthought wrote on Aug 21^st, 2010 at 11:30pm:

mantra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2010 at 11:15pm:

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Don't be so sure

About what - that the Greens are here to stay?

Absolutely.

The lesson is in fact in this election.

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Yet the Greens only enjoyed a 3.8% swing and at the end of counting picked up just one HoR seat.

Once the Greens start spoiling in the Senate, as the Democrats did, the people will move quickly away from them.

The truth of this will be seen in the first by-election.

Yes it will and fortunately DT you are not always right. The problem with the Liberals and their supporters is that they are just too arrogant.

Abbott is no Howard and we have seen now how quickly the political spectrum has shifted.

Hopefully it will be a long time before one man and his party has absolute power again.

The Greens have been growing slowly and steadily - do not assume they will blow it - even though the thought obviously appeals to you.

I hate to have to remind you but my predictions for the rise and fall of Kev and the fall of Jules have all been accurate.

It has been the opposite for you.

Arrogance plays no part here.

The voters chose and with a stunning collapse of a first term government's vote (with Jules being the best they had according to Bill Shorten - and you if I'm not mistaken) this shows I have not put a foot wrong.

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Re: Dear Monk/Darwin/Skippy/Mozz
Reply #62 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:20am

deepthought wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:15am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:13am:

Do you?

So I'm guessing you lost your courage after your failure to pick it.

We dont know if I failed or not yet deepy, Labor could still form government.
That said, it doesn't matter ,as Costello just said on the TODAY show, no matter who forms gov, we'll be back voting within months,not years.

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Re: Dear Monk/Darwin/Skippy/Mozz
Reply #63 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:24am

skippy. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:20am:

We dont know if I failed or not yet deepy, Labor could still form government.
That said, it doesn't matter ,as Costello just said on the TODAY show, no matter who forms gov, we'll be back voting within months,not years.

And "do you have the courage to make a call" for that election skip?

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Re: Dear Monk/Darwin/Skippy/Mozz
Reply #64 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:26am

Morning all, howz the heads!?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:43am:

suck it up equit - dream of 15 years of Tony Abbott being the PM

Now, I've gotta confess that: that would be close to one of my worst possible nightmare scenarios!

I feel sure that I'm not alone in that sentiment - and that even a lot of right whingers would shudder at the very possibility...

How is the new makeup of the parliamentary Coalition anyway!? If a leadership spill occurred now, would more of them back Abbott and Fascist Barbie or more moderate leaders like Joe Jockstrap and/or Mal Talksbull!?

Certainly, the latter team would be more user-friendly with the electorate and more likely to secure a 15 year period of governance...

United they stand ATM - but for how long can Abbott & Co hold it together!?

Same goes for the Labs, of course!

Roll Eyes

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Re: Dear Monk/Darwin/Skippy/Mozz
Reply #65 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:26am

deepthought wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:24am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:20am:

We dont know if I failed or not yet deepy, Labor could still form government.
That said, it doesn't matter ,as Costello just said on the TODAY show, no matter who forms gov, we'll be back voting within months,not years.

And "do you have the courage to make a call" for that election skip?

Do you?

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Reply #66 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:26am

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I hate to have to remind you but my predictions for the rise and fall of Kev and the fall of Jules have all been accurate.

It has been the opposite for you.

I was referring to your predictions for the Greens. You might not like them, but in many areas of Australia they received 12-14% of the primary vote - far more than the Nationals who received approximately 4%.

As Bob Brown pointed out - it should be one vote only and no preferences as they don't give a true picture of who the people want to run this country.

I think it was the 2001 election - Beazley/ALP had a great deal more primary votes than Howard - yet Howard won.

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Re: Dear Monk/Darwin/Skippy/Mozz
Reply #67 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:28am

mantra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:26am:

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I hate to have to remind you but my predictions for the rise and fall of Kev and the fall of Jules have all been accurate.

It has been the opposite for you.

I was referring to your predictions for the Greens. You might not like them, but in many areas of Australia they received 12-14% of the primary vote - far more than the Nationals who received approximately 4%.

As Bob Brown pointed out - it should be one vote only and no preferences as they don't give a true picture of who the people want to run this country.

I think it was the 2001 election - Beazley/ALP had a great deal more primary votes than Howard - yet Howard won.

It was 98 mantra, it happened to Peacock against Hawke also.

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Re: Dear Monk/Darwin/Skippy/Mozz
Reply #69 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:44am

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Yet the Greens only enjoyed a 3.8% swing and at the end of counting picked up just one HoR seat.

That's a pretty big victory for them, their first ever in the federal lower house.

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Once the Greens start spoiling in the Senate, as the Democrats did, the people will move quickly away from them.

I was under the imrpession that the democrats were undone mostly by the GST - hardly by spoiling. It was when they were spoiling that the public supported them most.

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As Bob Brown pointed out - it should be one vote only and no preferences as they don't give a true picture of who the people want to run this country.

Bob is wrong.

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Re: Dear Monk/Darwin/Skippy/Mozz
Reply #70 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:54am

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:26am:

Morning all, howz the heads!?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:43am:

suck it up equit - dream of 15 years of Tony Abbott being the PM

Now, I've gotta confess that: that would be close to one of my worst possible nightmare scenarios!

I feel sure that I'm not alone in that sentiment - and that even a lot of right whingers would shudder at the very possibility...

How is the new makeup of the parliamentary Coalition anyway!? If a leadership spill occurred now, would more of them back Abbott and Fascist Barbie or more moderate leaders like Joe Jockstrap and/or Mal Talksbull!?

Certainly, the latter team would be more user-friendly with the electorate and more likely to secure a 15 year period of governance...

United they stand ATM - but for how long can Abbott & Co hold it together!?

Same goes for the Labs, of course!

Roll Eyes

Speaking of Mal Talksbull, he seems to have gained a bigger swing (+12%) in his own seat than either Tony Abbott (+5.0%) or Julia Gillard (7.6%) - Gillard having a bigger swing towards her than Abbott...

Speaking of Joe Jockstrap, he's had a big swing (+9.3%) to him too - also bigger than Abbott or Gillard but smaller than Talksbull's...

Oh, and poor ol' former Lab Leader Kevin Rudd suffered a swing (-4.4) against him...

Curiouser and curiouser, eh!?

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Re: Dear Monk/Darwin/Skippy/Mozz
Reply #71 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 2:04pm

mantra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:26am:

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I hate to have to remind you but my predictions for the rise and fall of Kev and the fall of Jules have all been accurate.

It has been the opposite for you.

I was referring to your predictions for the Greens. You might not like them, but in many areas of Australia they received 12-14% of the primary vote - far more than the Nationals who received approximately 4%.

As Bob Brown pointed out - it should be one vote only and no preferences as they don't give a true picture of who the people want to run this country.

I think it was the 2001 election - Beazley/ALP had a great deal more primary votes than Howard - yet Howard won.

My prediction was accurate.

The popularity polls showed the Greens polling 14% and I predicted that would bleed away on election day.

They polled 11.5% nationally which is actually less than they have polled at by-elections.

What was particularly notable was the votes all came from their coalition partner as a protest vote. They will not retain them.

I also said;

deepthought wrote on Aug 21^st, 2010 at 11:50pm:

The first thing you will see is the bitter justification that they should have got more seats. They know they failed to capitalise as the swing in the Hor was to the Lib/Nats, not them in any significant way.

And Bob has shown that I am right if according to you "it should be one vote only and no preferences".

That is his bitter justification for only getting a single seat.

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Reply #72 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 2:09pm

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:44am:

That's a pretty big victory for them, their first ever in the federal lower house.

Not really. They didn't get it from the Lib/Nats so they actually worsened their situation.

With that seat Labor would be closer to retaining government.

Inadvertently they have put themselves further away from being heard because the Lib/Nats won't listen to their shrill hypocrisy.

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Re: Dear Monk/Darwin/Skippy/Mozz
Reply #73 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 2:12pm

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:54am:

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:26am:

Morning all, howz the heads!?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:43am:

suck it up equit - dream of 15 years of Tony Abbott being the PM

Now, I've gotta confess that: that would be close to one of my worst possible nightmare scenarios!

I feel sure that I'm not alone in that sentiment - and that even a lot of right whingers would shudder at the very possibility...

How is the new makeup of the parliamentary Coalition anyway!? If a leadership spill occurred now, would more of them back Abbott and Fascist Barbie or more moderate leaders like Joe Jockstrap and/or Mal Talksbull!?

Certainly, the latter team would be more user-friendly with the electorate and more likely to secure a 15 year period of governance...

United they stand ATM - but for how long can Abbott & Co hold it together!?

Same goes for the Labs, of course!

Roll Eyes

Speaking of Mal Talksbull, he seems to have gained a bigger swing (+12%) in his own seat than either Tony Abbott (+5.0%) or Julia Gillard (7.6%) - Gillard having a bigger swing towards her than Abbott...

Speaking of Joe Jockstrap, he's had a big swing (+9.3%) to him too - also bigger than Abbott or Gillard but smaller than Talksbull's...

Oh, and poor ol' former Lab Leader Kevin Rudd suffered a swing (-4.4) against him...

Curiouser and curiouser, eh!?

You`ll have to ask your GP, but I think you`ll need to up the dosage quite substantially.

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Re: Dear Monk/Darwin/Skippy/Mozz
Reply #74 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 2:19pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 2:12pm:

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:54am:

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:26am:

Morning all, howz the heads!?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:43am:

suck it up equit - dream of 15 years of Tony Abbott being the PM

Now, I've gotta confess that: that would be close to one of my worst possible nightmare scenarios!

I feel sure that I'm not alone in that sentiment - and that even a lot of right whingers would shudder at the very possibility...

How is the new makeup of the parliamentary Coalition anyway!? If a leadership spill occurred now, would more of them back Abbott and Fascist Barbie or more moderate leaders like Joe Jockstrap and/or Mal Talksbull!?

Certainly, the latter team would be more user-friendly with the electorate and more likely to secure a 15 year period of governance...

United they stand ATM - but for how long can Abbott & Co hold it together!?

Same goes for the Labs, of course!

Roll Eyes

Speaking of Mal Talksbull, he seems to have gained a bigger swing (+12%) in his own seat than either Tony Abbott (+5.0%) or Julia Gillard (7.6%) - Gillard having a bigger swing towards her than Abbott...

Speaking of Joe Jockstrap, he's had a big swing (+9.3%) to him too - also bigger than Abbott or Gillard but smaller than Talksbull's...

Oh, and poor ol' former Lab Leader Kevin Rudd suffered a swing (-4.4) against him...

Curiouser and curiouser, eh!?

You`ll have to ask your GP, but I think you`ll need to up the dosage quite substantially.

LOL...in time, we shall see who is suffering from delusions, AFTR et al...

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