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The Greens will hold the balance of power (Read 6105 times)
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Re: The Greens will hold the balance of power
Reply #15 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 5:03am
 
mantra wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:07pm:
I didn't realise they had any.

If anything I have found many Liberal voters very hypocritical in their moral stance - do as I say, not as I do seems to be their doctrine.






I'm guessing you mean like the public declaration to outlaw preference deals while sneaking about making secret ones?

Or the belief in the rights of some (gay) folk but not in the rights of others (people to follow their faith)?

Or the belief that once you get to the trough you have special privileges (to breastfeed on the job) that others can not possibly ever have?

Or the demands that others don't rort their parliamentary allowances while rorting them oneself?

That kind of thing?
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Reply #16 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 5:57am
 
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I'm guessing you mean like the public declaration to outlaw preference deals while sneaking about making secret ones?

Or the belief in the rights of some (gay) folk but not in the rights of others (people to follow their faith)?


I don't agree with all the policies of the Greens, but I've been through this before.

If you're still going on about the Exclusive Bretheren - I doubt too many have much sympathy for them.

Bob Brown personally doesn't believe our preferential voting system is fair, but has finally given in for the fairness of others in his party and his supporters. For the Greens to get some of their legislation through and become a viable third party, they need to play the same game as the two major parties.

You could liken it to Abbott not believing in abortions, but will allow abortions to stay legal if he gets into power.

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Or the demands that others don't rort their parliamentary allowances while rorting them oneself?


Since when have the Greens rorted their parliamentary allowances?

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Or the belief that once you get to the trough you have special privileges (to breastfeed on the job) that others can not possibly ever have?


Big deal - Sarah Hanson Young made a silly mistake of bringing her baby into Parliament to breastfeed. Is that really such a crime that the whole party should be condemned forevermore because of it?

Would she have been less offensive if she'd gone around sniffing seats?

I think you've just got sour grapes DT because if Abbott does get through - he'll have to battle to get some of his ridiculous legislation passed in the Senate.



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Reply #17 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:02am
 
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But apart from Tasmaniacs who, against all odds, swung to Labor, the general trend was for voters to desert the ALP and move to the Greens or the Lib/Nat coalition.


I seem to remember in the 2007 election - the general trend was for Liberal voters to desert the LNP - maybe some of them have decided now that neither major party has much to offer.
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Reply #18 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:20am
 
The greens got the support they did because the two major parties suck. and the people responded accordingly.

The Greens are the breakthrough story of this election.

I want to make sure you're the first to understand how significant these results are—

Yesterday, the Greens won the balance of power in the Senate, as well as our first lower house seat at a general election in Melbourne. We've achieved so much together this election that it's hard to quantify, but here are some numbers that tell part of the story:

We won a Senate seat in every State, including our first ever Greens Senators in Queensland and Victoria. This gives us the power to shape the agenda of the new Government and achieve real outcomes on issues like climate change, a fair go for asylum seekers, same sex marriage, and improving public schools and hospitals; 
Our first ever lower house Greens Member of Parliament has been elected in a general election - congratulations to Adam Bandt who won the seat of Melbourne with a massive 13% swing to the Greens on primaries!
More than 4,500 of you signed up online to volunteer over the course of the campaign - knocking on doors, handing out how to votes, holding Greens stalls and events, and much more;
Together, we raised more than $300,000 from small online donations to run our fantastic, positive campaign advertising on TV, on billboards in capital cities, in major newspapers, and to build the biggest online advertising presence we've ever had; (with special thanks to the talented creative team at Make Believe for all their work on this campaign)
More than 20,000 people became Facebook fans of the Greens- and dozens of State and local Facebook groups sprung up to spread the Greens' message online
For me, as Campaign Manager, the last few months have been both exhilarating and exhausting. What's kept me going is the knowledge that you - the people out there reading these emails - have been working tirelessly in your own communities.

You've shared the Greens' positive vision for Australia with your neighbours, your colleagues and your families, and that's what's led to these stunning results.

Having the balance of power in the Senate from July 2011 isn't a magic wand, but it does mean we'll be in a powerful position to make legislation better, introduce new ideas to the Parliament and push both sides of politics to deliver smarter, more constructive and progressive outcomes for our nation. The results of this election won't be clear for another few days - or even weeks - and the Senators and I will be in touch with the latest developments.

You've believed all along that we can make tremendous change to Australian politics, and yesterday, your votes created a powerful change in the Parliament. It is truly an historic achievement for the Greens and it has been my absolute pleasure and privilege to be a part of it.


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Reply #19 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:57am
 
If you think the Greens have anything to offer Australia - you should look to the BIG PICTURE :


No good can come from this
Terry McCrann From: Herald Sun August 23, 2010 12:01AM   

CHAOS and bad government. That is now Australia's future.

The quarter-century reform dynamic that started unusually and unexpectedly with the Hawke-Keating team in 1983, and that set us up for not only the prosperity of the 1990s and the 2000s but for riding through the global financial meltdown, is now well and truly over.

And it is over precisely at the time when we need it as much as ever, as we face either even greater - but also more challenging - prosperity thanks to China, or new global gloom with a "double dip" recession in the US.


It's the Senate that's the problem, where the balance of power is now finally held, and will be held permanently, by the party of pure irrationalists.

The Greens don't want to and won't "review" a government's policy; they want to impose their non-negotiable agenda. As they showed with their refusal to support the Rudd Government's less-than-pure Emissions Trading Scheme.

The reason why we got the reform in the 1980s is that it came from the Labor Party. All the big changes got through the Senate with the support of the Liberal Party. It was like a de facto "Grand Coalition".


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/no-good-can-come-from-this/story-e6frfhqf-1225908574112
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Reply #20 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:07am
 
Yeah, it should make for interesting political times over the next few years.
The rise in informal votes sends a message, the swing to the greens sends a message, and independents holding sway on who will govern the nation also sends a message.
In the end, I'm pretty happy with the result. We've effectively voted for a political party that doesn't exist...yet.





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Reply #21 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:15am
 
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The Greens don't want to and won't "review" a government's policy; they want to impose their non-negotiable agenda. As they showed with their refusal to support the Rudd Government's less-than-pure Emissions Trading Scheme.


Rudd couldn't get the ETS through, because it wasn't viable or credible at the time. We all know that.

You should be thanking the Greens for not supporting it when there are better alternatives.
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Reply #22 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:19am
 
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In the end, I'm pretty happy with the result. We've effectively voted for a political party that doesn't exist...yet.


Same here Amadd. Let's hope the next coalition will have a new set of values and goals. If they get the mix right, we won't have to go to a DD.

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Reply #23 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:53am
 
Why should they need to?  The two major parties had almost identical policies. They have enough common ground to forget about party lines and work together as elected.

After all, there is enough talent in both parties to form a superlative cabinet. Why waste 50% of the talent?

Apart from that, it's the mandate, and the result of the electorate being told that you can't trust Tony Abbott/ Julia Gillard. At least if they worked in cooperation we might see some actual work done.



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Reply #24 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 9:53am
 
I find it hard to believe that a party with the least votes ends up with all the power to run the country..bizarre, and so many on here happy about it..B ob Brown and Bob Katter holding the whip...good one australia we thought the last 3 years have been a disaster.. wait till you see what ahead. no matter whos in so called power.
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Reply #25 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 9:59am
 
mantra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:15am:
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The Greens don't want to and won't "review" a government's policy; they want to impose their non-negotiable agenda. As they showed with their refusal to support the Rudd Government's less-than-pure Emissions Trading Scheme.


Rudd couldn't get the ETS through, because it wasn't viable or credible at the time. We all know that.

You should be thanking the Greens for not supporting it when there are better alternatives.




That is a joke right ?    The Greens alternatives are to place a HIGHER Cap on carbon thus sending the cost of living sky high, and probably beyond the budgets of hard working, lower income families.

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Reply #26 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 10:32am
 
muso wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:53am:
Why should they need to?  The two major parties had almost identical policies. They have enough common ground to forget about party lines and work together as elected.

After all, there is enough talent in both parties to form a superlative cabinet. Why waste 50% of the talent?

Apart from that, it's the mandate, and the result of the electorate being told that you can't trust Tony Abbott/ Julia Gillard. At least if they worked in cooperation we might see some actual work done.





Nicely said and very accurate. The two major parties have the added incentive that they are both highly allergic to intelligent debate of any sort so working together should almost come naturally.
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Reply #27 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 10:51am
 
codswal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 9:53am:
I find it hard to believe that a party with the least votes ends up with all the power to run the country..bizarre, and so many on here happy about it..B ob Brown and Bob Katter holding the whip...good one australia we thought the last 3 years have been a disaster.. wait till you see what ahead. no matter whos in so called power.


Bob Brown holding the whip. Now that's a mental image that I could really do without.  Cheesy
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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 6:19am:
This is the result we had to have. It will be an interesting three years. We will find out if Bob Brown can be bought?

Good time for a punt? I bet Abbott will not be PM at the next election.


I doubt it will go 3 years, no matter who gets the nod, now!
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Reply #29 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 3:17pm
 
deepthought wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 5:03am:
mantra wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:07pm:
I didn't realise they had any.

If anything I have found many Liberal voters very hypocritical in their moral stance - do as I say, not as I do seems to be their doctrine.





Or the belief in the rights of some (gay) folk but not in the rights of others (people to follow their faith)?


No one cares about the EB’s faith. we care about the denial of higher education of their children, their ripoff of people working for them and their splitting families by denying access to those who leave the cult to family members still in the cult.

Then too the EB chose to meddle in politics.

They should be investigated and then appropriate action taken.
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