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Reply #15 - Aug 21st, 2010 at 3:48pm
 

Following on from Imp's post, and with regard to the thread title, out of respect for the lost soldiers and their loved ones:  I, for one, shall refrain from making further comments on this thread about the agenda of war.
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Reply #16 - Aug 21st, 2010 at 3:56pm
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 21st, 2010 at 3:28pm:
Even by that definition, those waging the oxymoronic 'war on terror' do not appear to be empowering the peope nor facilitating rule by majority - nor is there much freedom of speech or press...

"War on terror" is not an oxymoron... It's another way of saying "fighting fire with fire" and while that might be ironic, it ain't oymoronic... As opposed to, say, "warriors for peace burning down the village in order to save it."... Which is what the US ended up doing to Iraq... well... they burnt it down, anyway... The chances of its razing being its salvation... Pretty slim.

On the Iraq catastrophe, I was watching a recent video of Canon Andrew White... A man clearly being driven into madness by his enduring hope for Iraq and his unfailing respect for the Iraqi people in the face of the country's unprecedented destruction.
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Reply #17 - Aug 21st, 2010 at 4:27pm
 
____ wrote on Aug 21st, 2010 at 9:17am:
Next of Kin being contacted first


How many more Australian must die for this pointless war


Bring Them Home


No, Afghanistan isn't the 'pointless war'...Iraq IS...
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Reply #18 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:53am
 
It is never pointless to stand up to oppression and brutality.  Disbursement of resources, and prioritisation though, are other matters.
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Reply #19 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:56am
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 21st, 2010 at 3:28pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2010 at 3:21pm:
Democracy is rule by majority, nothing more. Grassrooting or not, it is still democracy.


Even by that definition, those waging the oxymoronic 'war on terror' do not appear to be empowering the peope nor facilitating rule by majority - nor is there much freedom of speech or press...

Certainly, Westerners are receiving a heavily pre-sanitised pro-Western propaganda version of events in the ME - and that is neither representative nor reflective of the true state of 'democracy' (or otherwise) in the ME...


They have some stiff opposition to free speech and democracy. It would be a great shame for the Afghani people if that opposition won out.
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Reply #20 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:49am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:56am:
Equitist wrote on Aug 21st, 2010 at 3:28pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2010 at 3:21pm:
Democracy is rule by majority, nothing more. Grassrooting or not, it is still democracy.


Even by that definition, those waging the oxymoronic 'war on terror' do not appear to be empowering the peope nor facilitating rule by majority - nor is there much freedom of speech or press...

Certainly, Westerners are receiving a heavily pre-sanitised pro-Western propaganda version of events in the ME - and that is neither representative nor reflective of the true state of 'democracy' (or otherwise) in the ME...


They have some stiff opposition to free speech and democracy. It would be a great shame for the Afghani people if that opposition won out.

True, but let's hope our coalition of the peacemakers don't inflict the same fate as has been imposed on Iraq - Burning down the village in order to save it.
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Reply #21 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:26pm
 
It's 'killing the chicken and letting the monkeys watch'.

Or carpet bomb until desired result emerges.



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Reply #22 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:31pm
 
Which is what? Killing them all?
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Reply #23 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:32pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:31pm:
Which is what? Killing them all?

Not all. Just the enemy.

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Reply #24 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:34pm
 
How do we know which ones are the enemy and which ones are civilians?
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Reply #25 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:49pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:34pm:
How do we know which ones are the enemy and which ones are civilians?



It is easy to tell when you are flying a fighter bomber, apparently. Technology, innit.



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Reply #26 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:12pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:32pm:
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:31pm:
Which is what? Killing them all?

Not all. Just the enemy.



Ah - I see you were on the advisory board for the Vietnam war too, dear. Of course, the carpet bombing there went much further. The enemy were hiding in Cambodia and Laos, and would have been sharpening their bamboo spikes in China too, if the Chinese didn't have all those nasty nukes and a million soldiers to back them up against the US's shag piles. I guess we can't carpet bomb everywhere...

Or can we?

Can I ask though, old boy, apart from assisting the shareholders of companies like Lockhead Martin, what purpose does carpet bombing serve again?

Apart from destroying villages and crops and jungles and fostering groups like the Khmer Rouge, or encouraging the "enemy" to work in ingenious underground tunnels, or creating a resistance that will, as history has shown, become harder and stronger and more mean when you eventually leave a country, say, in 2011?

Don't get me wrong. I love a good carpet bombing as much as the next person. Guernica is one of my favourite paintings of all time. I love the sheer beauty of mass aerial destruction, the dazzling display of technological supremacy, the sight of all those backward, tinted peasants running into the jungle and, just as they get there, being felled by machine gun fire.

I like to watch it on TV.

But apart from the all the pleasure we receive from carpet bombing, what purpose does it actually serve?
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Reply #27 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 11:55am
 
Big Donger wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:12pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:32pm:
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:31pm:
Which is what? Killing them all?

Not all. Just the enemy.



Ah - I see you were on the advisory board for the Vietnam war too, dear. Of course, the carpet bombing there went much further. The enemy were hiding in Cambodia and Laos, and would have been sharpening their bamboo spikes in China too, if the Chinese didn't have all those nasty nukes and a million soldiers to back them up against the US's shag piles. I guess we can't carpet bomb everywhere...

Or can we?

Can I ask though, old boy, apart from assisting the shareholders of companies like Lockhead Martin, what purpose does carpet bombing serve again?

Apart from destroying villages and crops and jungles and fostering groups like the Khmer Rouge, or encouraging the "enemy" to work in ingenious underground tunnels, or creating a resistance that will, as history has shown, become harder and stronger and more mean when you eventually leave a country, say, in 2011?

Don't get me wrong. I love a good carpet bombing as much as the next person. Guernica is one of my favourite paintings of all time. I love the sheer beauty of mass aerial destruction, the dazzling display of technological supremacy, the sight of all those backward, tinted peasants running into the jungle and, just as they get there, being felled by machine gun fire.

I like to watch it on TV.

But apart from the all the pleasure we receive from carpet bombing, what purpose does it actually serve?


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Reply #28 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 12:11pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:12pm:
But apart from the all the pleasure we receive from carpet bombing, what purpose does it actually serve?


It's educational.

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Re: Incident in Afghanistan
Reply #29 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 1:23pm
 
where are the talibans ?? or just road side bombs ??
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