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Why we shouldn't act on climate change
Aug 20th, 2010 at 2:48pm
 
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These pictures are from 1970, the first Earth Day. As you can see, back then they were predicting that the Earth would be destroyed by 1990. That was 40 years ago. It's now 2010 and the Earth is still liveable enough that people can still attend "Earth Day", and they do. In fact it's even bigger now than it was back then. We now have "Earth Hour" where everybody is supposed to turn their lights off for an hour. Seriously, I'm not even joking.

So how is 1970 different to 2010? Is it a different crisis now or the same crisis just worse? Well, if you look at what was published in the early 1970s, the crisis is essentially the same but the problem seemed to be cooling not warming. In 1970 the SCEP published a report titled "Study of Critical Environmental Problems", which reported the possibility of global warming from increased carbon dioxide. The following year a paper was published in the journal 'Science' titled "Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Aerosols: Effects of Large Increases on Global Climate", which was one of the first to suggest man-made contributions to climate change. It also however claimed that global cooling would be the result of man-made greenhouse gas pollution and carbon emissions because particulate pollution would block sunlight.

In the following years, the National Science Board, the National Academy of Science, as well as popular media like Time Magazine and Newsweek published reports on global cooling claiming that that there'd been half a degree (fahrenheit) drop in the Earth's average ground temperature. In fact, the Newsweek article suggested intentionally melting the Arctic ice cap as a solution. The picture painted by the mainstream media and the environmental movement back then was dramatic. People would starve because crops wouldn't grow, natural disasters would increase, and the world as we know it will be dead by 1990 (or 2000, according to some reports).

So what are we to conclude? That environmentalists were wrong back then or that they were kinda right but we know a lot more now? In either case I think recent history teaches us to exercise caution in regard to environmental hysteria. The media and environmentalists on the 1970s were urging government to do something about the climate crisis. The most they did was pass Clean Air and Water acts. But as a whole the 1970s left environmentalists feeling like the government failed to act. But what happened as a result of their failure to act? Did the world end in 1990? No, where still here and enjoying a better quality of life than we did in 1970. Which makes me believe that if we acted in 1970, we would have ruined our way of life for no reason. The world didn't end in 1990. It was a good thing that government failed to act for so long because the longer they waited, the more time we had to find the truth and discover that the claim of the early 1970s were inaccurate. If they acted early they would have acted on false claims.

So that makes me think, if we hold off climate change action for another few years, will we slowly discover that the claims of the late 1990s and early 2000s were also exaggerated and inaccurate? Is it worth destroying the economy and our way of life if global warming could turn out to be as phoney as global cooling? Well if you ask a Greenie they will say, "yes!". Because to them, moving to a "green economy", imposing heavier regulations and taxes on corporations, increasing government control, are the most important things. There proposed solution is more important to them than the problem, insofar as if the problem turns out not to be as big as previously thought, they would still want to implement their solution. That's because at their heart, they are really just anti-capitalists.

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Here is a photo of some environmental activists protesting at last year's Copenhagen conference on climate change. "Corporations keep out"? "Planet over profit"? "Corporations" "corporations" "profit" "money" "greed" "greed" "greed", that's all I see and hear at these environmental protests. These people aren't environmentalists. They are anti-corporation, anti-globalisation and anti-capitalism. Socialism is a fine, debatable idea, but don't mask it as environmentalism. Green is the new red. I just wish they would embrace that and be honest about who they are and what they really stand for.
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Reply #1 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 4:03pm
 
Nicely put, accurate post Bob....but there is no way that they'll believe you....
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Reply #2 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 4:56pm
 
That's just trolling Bob and pretty light weight at that. You need to be better than that. Cheesy

Almost enough to make me want to vote Green out of spite or Liberal to quicken our demise.

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Reply #3 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 5:00pm
 
"Trolling", "pretty light weight"... ouch, the rath of the bandwagon jumpers. Geez, I just don't know how to come back from that. Such a well thought out, convincing, information rebuttal with facts and figures to boot. I guess I was wrong about climate change. We have to abandon this stupid capitalist system that brought so many people out of poverty and ride around on bicycles all day. I get it now.
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Reply #4 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:35pm
 
oops - a climate skeptics party. Thanks for the heads up.
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Reply #5 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:57pm
 
muso wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:35pm:
oops - a climate skeptics party. Thanks for the heads up.

more like climate realists/rationalists
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Reply #6 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:59pm
 
Hey Bob, Hi Bob.
How do you think it's going to go?
Do you think you have a prayer?
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Reply #7 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 7:00pm
 
muso wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:35pm:
oops - a climate skeptics party. Thanks for the heads up.



LOL yeah...Like the 'World will end in Nuclear Destruction' party in the 1950's...
And the 'World will end in pollution death' party of the 1960's...

Seeing a 'theme' yet muso????
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Reply #8 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 7:08pm
 
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Well, if you look at what was published in the early 1970s, the crisis is essentially the same but the problem seemed to be cooling not warming.


Let me guess. You didn't actually look at what was published did you?
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Reply #9 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 7:13pm
 
Environmentalism as a cause has had it`s credability eroded by corruption andd dishonesty.  The real loser is the environment!
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Reply #10 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 8:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 7:08pm:
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Well, if you look at what was published in the early 1970s, the crisis is essentially the same but the problem seemed to be cooling not warming.


Let me guess. You didn't actually look at what was published did you?

No, I haven't read the full reports, I've just read summations and quotes from the reports. Have you read the reports?
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Reply #11 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 9:17pm
 
I don't think there were any. Prior to global warming, the issue of the earth cooling was barely on the radar because it was happening so slowly. To suggest that reading these imaginary reports would highlight some kind of similarity between the situations is absurd. It is just an attempt to create an impression of inconsistency when there is none.
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Reply #12 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 9:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 9:17pm:
I don't think there were any. Prior to global warming, the issue of the earth cooling was barely on the radar because it was happening so slowly. To suggest that reading these imaginary reports would highlight some kind of similarity between the situations is absurd. It is just an attempt to create an impression of inconsistency when there is none.

lol, that's amusing. You implied some incredibility on my part because I didn't read the reports, then I come to find out you didn't even read my post. If you kept reading just a few more sentences after the one you quoted, you'd see I actually mentioned some titles. And if Newsweek never published stories about a global cooling crisis that was going to see the word end by 1990, then why'd they issue a retraction and apology in 2005 saying they were spectacularly wrong?
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The picture painted by the mainstream media and the environmental movement back then was dramatic. People would starve because crops wouldn't grow, natural disasters would increase, and the world as we know it will be dead by 1990 (or 2000, according to some reports).


It is kind of hard to take that seriously.
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Reply #14 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 10:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 10:06pm:
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The picture painted by the mainstream media and the environmental movement back then was dramatic. People would starve because crops wouldn't grow, natural disasters would increase, and the world as we know it will be dead by 1990 (or 2000, according to some reports).


It is kind of hard to take that seriously.

exactly Wink

"The Cooling World" by Peter Gwynne
April 28, 1975
- Newsweek

original scan: http://www.junkscience.com/apr05/coolingworld.pdf

excerpt:
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Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.


Could just as easily have been written last week.


Some quotes predicting that global warming/cooling will destroy the planet, or at least the human race, by 2000 (or even earlier):

I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 -- Paul Ehrlich in (1969)

In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish. -- Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)

Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity . . . in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion -- Paul Ehrlich in (1976)

This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000. -- Lowell Ponte "The Cooling", 1976

If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000...This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age. -- Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)

Hard to take seriously, isn't it?
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