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Reply #15 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:22pm
 
Oil Firms Bankroll Calif. Climate-Change Measure


In California, voters will decide Tuesday whether to put the state's landmark climate-change law on hold until the jobless rate there goes down.

The ballot measure known as Proposition 23 is being bankrolled mostly by oil companies. Supporters aren't saying that global warming is a good thing — or that it doesn't exist. Their arguments have mainly been about economic effects.

The unemployment rate in California is more than 12 percent right now, and that's what seems to worry the woman in one ad in favor of the proposition:
"I want to do my part on global warming," she says. "All yes on 23 says is let's wait until people are back to work and we can afford it. Yes on 23 — it's common sense."
And here's another bit of common sense, says Anita Mangels, communications director for Yes on 23: "California acting alone can't do anything to reduce global warming."

Bill Day, a spokesman for Texas-based Valero Energy, says it would definitely hit oil refiners in the wallet.

Valero has a couple of refineries and lots of gas stations in California, and the company has contributed about half of the roughly $10 million behind the Proposition 23 campaign.

"We thought Californians deserved a chance to vote. They can decide whether this is a good time to implement these measures or not," Day says.
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You can generally rely on humanity, to come doen on the side of self interest?

The vote today, in California, for proposition 23 could have significant ramifications, as it may provide an indicator as to just how deep self interest may go!  
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Reply #16 - Nov 4th, 2010 at 8:36am
 
That's why we need prosperity. I've seen what happens to the environment where the economy has gone down the tubes.

Sub Saharan Africa has a waste management strategy and a wildlife conservation strategy.

The real waste management management strategy is - dump it anywhere, burnt it.... etc.

The wildlife conservation strategy is - If it's alive, kill it, smoke it  and sell it to passing motorists for as much as you can get.

The EPA response is to send a silly little girl straight out of University who will wring her hands a lot, come up with a prescriptive solution that makes things worse and not bother to follow it up because she's under resourced.

She might send her superior, and if there is overseas money involved, he'll try to get his cut, then ignore the problem.
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Reply #17 - Nov 5th, 2010 at 8:23am
 
Californians Reject Proposal To Suspend Climate Law


SAN FRANCISCO (Dow Jones)--California voters defeated a proposal to suspend the state's climate law, delivering a victory to environmental groups and the governor and a blow to oil refiners who backed the measure.

The ballot initiative, called Proposition 23, was rejected by 61.2% of the voters, compared with 38.8% who voted in favor, according to the California Secretary of State's office.

"This was a huge, huge victory for me, a huge victory for the state of California, for the environment, for green technology, for jobs," Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger told reporters in a conference call
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Reply #18 - Nov 5th, 2010 at 12:47pm
 
These people who put forward Proposition 23 didn't have the guts to do what had to be done. They were girly men  Cool

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Reply #19 - Nov 5th, 2010 at 12:58pm
 
muso wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 12:47pm:
These people who put forward Proposition 23 didn't have the guts to do what had to be done. They were girly men  Cool



Yes, Arnie?
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