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Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:01pm
 
How did these organizations manage to attain such a foothold in this country? They are absolutely worthless and don't perform any useful services for their clients whatsoever. The agency that I am registered with asks me to come in every two weeks for a useless, tedious interview. I am convinced that they are not looking for work for me at all. This isn't the only agency I've been with that has left me with this impression. They're completely smacking sh*t.

What should be done about them? How much money is going to them every year? What was there before them? I'm too young to know.
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Reply #1 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:07pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:01pm:
How did these organizations manage to attain such a foothold in this country? They are absolutely worthless and don't perform any useful services for their clients whatsoever. The agency that I am registered with asks me to come in every two weeks for a useless, tedious interview. I am convinced that they are not looking for work for me at all. This isn't the only agency I've been with that has left me with this impression. They're completely smacking sh*t.

What should be done about them? How much money is going to them every year? What was there before them? I'm too young to know.



They are useless, I agree.

Roll Eyes...And as for how they managed to get a leg in, in this country, you might have to consult with Rudds wife, as she became a multi millionaire with these same employment agencies, whilst under Howards work-choices, apparently.

The irony! Smiley
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Reply #2 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:13pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:01pm:
How did these organizations manage to attain such a foothold in this country? They are absolutely worthless and don't perform any useful services for their clients whatsoever. The agency that I am registered with asks me to come in every two weeks for a useless, tedious interview. I am convinced that they are not looking for work for me at all. This isn't the only agency I've been with that has left me with this impression. They're completely smacking sh*t.

What should be done about them? How much money is going to them every year? What was there before them? I'm too young to know.

The CES .Commonwealth employment angency, you went into your local branch and jobs were posted on the board.
Although I never used their services I believe that the unemployed still had interviews to try and place them with suitable vacanies but seeing as it was commonwealth funded they weren't paid per placement/training courses as these guys are.
I'm lead to believe but may be wrong that the current arrangement pays via how many unemployed on the books therefore getting people jobs is actually detrimental to the service.As I said I'm probably wrong but remember this being mentioned in another thread on yahoo many months ago.
The CES was closed and disbanded along the usual lines of private enterprise could do the job better and cheaper although I don't think the figures have ever been compared or if they have certainly not released to the public.
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Reply #3 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:16pm
 
mellie wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:07pm:
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:01pm:
How did these organizations manage to attain such a foothold in this country? They are absolutely worthless and don't perform any useful services for their clients whatsoever. The agency that I am registered with asks me to come in every two weeks for a useless, tedious interview. I am convinced that they are not looking for work for me at all. This isn't the only agency I've been with that has left me with this impression. They're completely smacking sh*t.

What should be done about them? How much money is going to them every year? What was there before them? I'm too young to know.



They are useless, I agree.

Roll Eyes...And as for how they managed to get a leg in, in this country, you might have to consult with Rudds wife, as she became a multi millionaire with these same employment agencies, whilst under Howards work-choices, apparently.

The irony! Smiley

God your on fire tonight mellie it wasn't Rudd it was either Keating or Howard who closed the CES and therefore allowed these agencies and Rudds wife to make sh!tloads of money.
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Reply #4 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:17pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:13pm:
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:01pm:
How did these organizations manage to attain such a foothold in this country? They are absolutely worthless and don't perform any useful services for their clients whatsoever. The agency that I am registered with asks me to come in every two weeks for a useless, tedious interview. I am convinced that they are not looking for work for me at all. This isn't the only agency I've been with that has left me with this impression. They're completely smacking sh*t.

What should be done about them? How much money is going to them every year? What was there before them? I'm too young to know.

The CES .Commonwealth employment angency, you went into your local branch and jobs were posted on the board.
Although I never used their services I believe that the unemployed still had interviews to try and place them with suitable vacanies but seeing as it was commonwealth funded they weren't paid per placement/training courses as these guys are.
I'm lead to believe but may be wrong that the current arrangement pays via how many unemployed on the books therefore getting people jobs is actually detrimental to the service.As I said I'm probably wrong but remember this being mentioned in another thread on yahoo many months ago.
The CES was closed and disbanded along the usual lines of private enterprise could do the job better and cheaper although I don't think the figures have ever been compared or if they have certainly not released to the public.


Worth looking into Smithy, because you might have just hit the nail on the head.

Smiley
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Reply #5 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:26pm
 
The Commonwealth Employment Service (CES) was an Australian Government employment agency established in 1946 with the introduction of the Re-establishment and Employment Act 1945 and continued to exist under the provisions of the Commonwealth Employment Service Act 1978.

The Department underwent changes in both direction and name in the 1990s.

Became known as Department of Employment, Education, Training and Youth Affairs (DEETYA)

With the successful election of the Liberal Government of John Howard in 1996, the Department was on short time. Liberal Government policy stated that all Employment services were to be opened up to privatisation.

Within 2 years all Federal Government interest and claim to directly run employment services had been relinquished by April 1998.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Employment_Service
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Reply #6 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:27pm
 

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:01pm:
How did these organizations manage to attain such a foothold in this country? They are absolutely worthless and don't perform any useful services for their clients whatsoever. The agency that I am registered with asks me to come in every two weeks for a useless, tedious interview. I am convinced that they are not looking for work for me at all. This isn't the only agency I've been with that has left me with this impression. They're completely smacking sh*t.

What should be done about them? How much money is going to them every year? What was there before them? I'm too young to know.


I don't know much about your situation, Imp, but you are obviously quite articulate - so, if I were you, I'd be considering formally referring your case to your local MP and/or relevant Minister...

I'd also be asking them to provide you with some sort of list/s of the job opportunities they have available in your area - both generally and specifically those relevant to you - and perhaps disclosing to them that you wanted such list/s for the purposes of approaching your MP so as to get some focus on your plight...

I seem to recall that there was a Govt site which provided some relevant data that you could access - of both jobs advertised in your area and numbers of welfare receipients!? I'd be checking that out and preparing some kind of report for the attention of the pollies and perhaps even Control-Link...

Clearly, your time and money is being wasted - along with that of Aussie Taxpayers. Then there's the compounding opportunity costs - such that the whole process is terribly counter-productive...

It is no secret that your case is fairly typical of the Job Network farce - and this whole situation simply isn't good enough!

Anyways, best wishes with it all!
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Reply #7 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:28pm
 
The Commonwealth Employment Service (CES) was an Australian Government employment agency established in 1946 with the introduction of the Re-establishment and Employment Act 1945 and continued to exist under the provisions of the Commonwealth Employment Service Act 1978.
[edit] History in the last 1990 -1998

The Department underwent changes in both direction and name in the 1990s.

Became known as Department of Employment, Education, Training and Youth Affairs (DEETYA)

With the successful election of the Liberal Government of John Howard in 1996, the Department was on short time. Liberal Government policy stated that all Employment services were to be opened up to privatisation.

Within 2 years all Federal Government interest and claim to directly run employment services had been relinquished by April 1998.

External or Contracted Case Management (CCM's) 'Job Agencies' tendered for job/employment services. These services were run by organisations, community groups and for the first time 'main stream' privately run agencies.

The Department created the entity "Employment Assistance Australia" EAA. To counter the perception that it no longer wanted to handle employment services for the LTUE clients. EAA officers worked in existing CES Offices in th majority of cases.

The focus moved to "Intensive Assistance" for all LTUE clients, with a view to assisting those clients with disadvantages to gaining and sustaining employment.

In late 1996, [DEETYA] implemented the Job Search Kiosks within CES offices, still in use within Centrelink offices across Australia. The initial idea was to also place these kiosks in shopping centres and libraries to facilitate greater access to jobs for the community. the plan was never implemented.

Staff were advised in March 1997, that as of 30 March 1998 the Department would cease to operate and all employment service functions were to be split between DSS and the soon to be named Job Network.
[edit] Post 1998


During 1998, part of the Commonwealth Employment Service functions transferred to a new government entity, Employment National, a new government provider of employment services amongst a competitive network of community, government and commercial agencies known as the Job Network.[1] The remaining functions transferred to Centrelink.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Employment_Service

There you are mellie blame Howard for Rudds wife's wealth
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Reply #8 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:32pm
 
No, not blaming anyone, just noting the irony of Rudd having abolished it, after his own wife became a millionaire.

Labors power-brokers told Rudds wife to give away her business, a conflict of interest apparently, given she was gaining from the very IR reform her husband stood against. After the money was made though, not before.

Smiley Clever hu!


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Reply #9 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:35pm
 

mellie wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:17pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:13pm:
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:01pm:
How did these organizations manage to attain such a foothold in this country? They are absolutely worthless and don't perform any useful services for their clients whatsoever. The agency that I am registered with asks me to come in every two weeks for a useless, tedious interview. I am convinced that they are not looking for work for me at all. This isn't the only agency I've been with that has left me with this impression. They're completely smacking sh*t.

What should be done about them? How much money is going to them every year? What was there before them? I'm too young to know.

The CES .Commonwealth employment angency, you went into your local branch and jobs were posted on the board.
Although I never used their services I believe that the unemployed still had interviews to try and place them with suitable vacanies but seeing as it was commonwealth funded they weren't paid per placement/training courses as these guys are.
I'm lead to believe but may be wrong that the current arrangement pays via how many unemployed on the books therefore getting people jobs is actually detrimental to the service.As I said I'm probably wrong but remember this being mentioned in another thread on yahoo many months ago.
The CES was closed and disbanded along the usual lines of private enterprise could do the job better and cheaper although I don't think the figures have ever been compared or if they have certainly not released to the public.


Worth looking into Smithy, because you might have just hit the nail on the head.

Smiley


What's worse, is that these Job Network parasites receive larger lump sums as their 'clients' become longer term unemployed - and so they are effectively-incentivised to neglect the needs and aspirations of their cash cow 'clients' in between unemployment milestones...
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Reply #10 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:35pm
 
mellie wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:32pm:
No, not blaming anyone, just noting the irony of Rudd having abolished it, after his own wife became a millionaire.

Labors power-brokers told Rudds wife to give away her business, a conflict of interest apparently, given she was gaining from the very IR reform her husband stood against. After the money was made though, not before.

Smiley Clever hu!




Workchoices was not even thought of until Howards 3rd term 2003/4, I'm pretty sure that Thierse made plenty of money before hand.
Private employment agencies existed before and still do.
Thierse went international but frankly she should not have been forced to divest her national interests but I can see politically why it was advised.
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