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Aug 14^th, 2010 at 8:47pm

U.S. AEC, forerunner of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the United States Department of Energy spoke of electricity in the future being "too cheap to meter, this might be what's holding us back.

Cant impose a tax on what doesn't exist, ETS wise, now can we.

We could always impose a fresh air tax (FAT) or something I guess...

Ironically, since 2007, we have seen a sharp decline in new nuclear plants being added to the grid, 2008 being the first year ever whereby none were added, and only 1 or two (from memory) were added to the grid during 2009.

Even stranger, some countries formerly pro-nuclear appear to be closing their plants down, for no apparent reason at all.

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Reply #1 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 9:16pm

mellie wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 8:47pm:

Ironically, since 2007, we have seen a sharp decline in new nuclear plants being added to the grid, 2008 being the first year ever whereby none were added, and only 1 or two (from memory) were added to the grid during 2009.

Even stranger, some countries formerly pro-nuclear appear to be closing their plants down, for no apparent reason at all.

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It's not strange - it's obvious. It is too expensive and unpredictable and more advanced countries than us are embracing green technology. Even China is making an effort.

Besides the nuclear lobbyists aren't getting the financial support they're used to since the sub-prime crisis hit the US.

Let's hope it's a dying industry.

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deepthought Gold Member Offline In Defence Of Liberty Posts: 2869	Re: A nuclear Australia Reply #2 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 9:31pm With a determination to go green and cut emissions the USA has resumed development of nuclear power generation after thirty years of no new stations. And why not. Pres Obama says a few kilograms of uranium is better than 30 million barrels of oil and there are no emissions at all. Who could argue with that.
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Reply #3 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 9:32pm

Fads come and go Mantra, i'm guessing nuclear will make a come back just as soon as our wells of prosperity all but dry up, I mean what's a gallon or two of oil spilled over our barrier reef, this or increasing dioxin levels in our marine life and produce between friends?

Nuclear is both New and Clear...hence nuclear Mantra ...(grinz)

This said, I can imagine you sitting here in 50 years time friction powering your laptop by means of um, er...exercise bike? Wink

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Reply #4 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 9:33pm

deepthought wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 9:31pm:

With a determination to go green and cut emissions the USA has resumed development of nuclear power generation after thirty years of no new stations.

And why not.

Pres Obama says a few kilograms of uranium is better than 30 million barrels of oil and there are no emissions at all.

Who could argue with that.

Not me, thats for sure.

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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Sydney Gender:	Re: A nuclear Australia Reply #5 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 9:45pm Tell me Mellie, is France which is the biggest user of nuclear power are also shutting down there nuclear reactors one by one . ??
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Reply #6 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 9:47pm

mellie wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 9:32pm:

Fads come and go Mantra, i'm guessing nuclear will make a come back just as soon as our wells of prosperity all but dry up, I mean what's a gallon or two of oil spilled over our barrier reef, this or increasing dioxin levels in our marine life and produce between friends?

You could be right Mel, but some of us can live in hope that less toxic methods of power will be used in greater volume here in the near future.

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Nuclear is both New and Clear...hence nuclear Mantra ...(grinz)

This said, I can imagine you sitting here in 50 years time friction powering your laptop by means of um, er...exercise bike? Wink

Haha. I should be so lucky.

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Pres Obama says a few kilograms of uranium is better than 30 million barrels of oil and there are no emissions at all.

Who could argue with that.

He's following in the path of his predecessor - the same as our leader/s are doing.

Obama makes a good argument obviously, but NP stations dotted all over the planet aren't going to stop Texas Oil going out of business.

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: A nuclear Australia Reply #7 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 9:54pm Quote: Obama makes a good argument obviously, but NP stations dotted all over the planet aren't going to stop Texas Oil going out of business. by -Mantra No, but it will sure throw a spanner in the works.
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deepthought Gold Member Offline In Defence Of Liberty Posts: 2869	Re: A nuclear Australia Reply #8 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 10:11pm mantra wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 9:47pm: He's following in the path of his predecessor - the same as our leader/s are doing. Derek is a George Bush sock puppet? And Jules is operated by remote by Johnny?
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Reply #9 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 10:28pm

Following in the path of their predecessors, doesn't mean that previous leaders weren't being led by the World Order down that path also. As much as I hate using the term World Order - there's no other way to describe these organisations. Howard was as much of a puppet as Gillard or Rudd, the difference being Howard had a more important role to fulfill because his co-operation was needed in the instigation of wars and trade agreements.

Certainly it has been noted that 12 of Obama's appointments to the Whitehouse are members of the Trilateral Commission.

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Reply #10 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 10:33pm

mantra wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 10:28pm:

Following in the path of their predecessors, doesn't mean that previous leaders weren't being led by the World Order down that path also. As much as I hate using the term World Order - there's no other way to describe these organisations. Howard was as much of a puppet as Gillard or Rudd, the difference being Howard had a more important role to fulfill because his co-operation was needed in the instigation of wars and trade agreements.

Certainly it has been noted that 12 of Obama's appointments to the Whitehouse are members of the Trilateral Commission.

This discussion has taken a strange twist.

Johnny cooperated with wars and trade agreements?

Jules and Kev, equally, are puppets?

I need to know more.

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: A nuclear Australia Reply #11 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 10:37pm Let us hope we have enough natural resources left to power our own nuclear plants if/when the time comes. Bare in mind, we have been supplying the world with uranium for decades now. It would be a bummer to learn that we don't even have enough to sustain our own clear future, for when the time comes.
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Reply #12 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 10:41pm

mantra wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 10:28pm:

Following in the path of their predecessors, doesn't mean that previous leaders weren't being led by the World Order down that path also. As much as I hate using the term World Order - there's no other way to describe these organisations. Howard was as much of a puppet as Gillard or Rudd, the difference being Howard had a more important role to fulfill because his co-operation was needed in the instigation of wars and trade agreements.

Certainly it has been noted that 12 of Obama's appointments to the Whitehouse are members of the Trilateral Commission.

Now, this is interesting....

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 118686 Melbourne Gender:	Re: A nuclear Australia Reply #13 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 10:41pm Has anyone here considered a Thorium Reactor for Australia? The Indians are well ahead of us. See link: http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/nuclear/qa-thorium-reactor-designer-ratan-kumar-sinha
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Re: A nuclear Australia
Reply #14 - Aug 14^th, 2010 at 10:49pm

mellie wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 10:37pm:

Let us hope we have enough natural resources left to power our own nuclear plants if/when the time comes.

Bare in mind, we have been supplying the world with uranium for decades now.

It would be a bummer to learn that we don't even have enough to sustain our own clear future, for when the time comes.

Uranium is abundant in the earth's crust.

We will have developed fusion reactors before there is much chance of running out.

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