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Reply #75 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 11:31pm
 
Grow up child.!!

He didn't for starters kill 3000 people.

He killed 100 and something,and the reasoning behind it was nothing to do with a so-called relgion that tells people, to kill, hate, commit paedophilia, treats women like dirt, etc. etc
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Reply #76 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 7:25am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 11:44pm:
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My family has been here since 1872.  Our main point of difference is that we love this country, we love freedom and the respect of all life.


1853 here, so go back to where you came from you bloody import.

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Our main point of difference is that we love this country, we love freedom and the respect of all life.


No, our main difference is that you think you have some kind of racial superiority over others.


When you presume to read other people`s minds, the only outcome is that you expose your own stupidity. It`s the Islamists who segregate themselves from mainstream Australia with their dark ages delusions of grand superioty. Islam is a narrow minded cult, trapped in the Old Testament mentality, it can never advance to become an honourable belief system.
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Reply #77 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 10:02am
 
The accumulation of first-hand information may explain why American attitudes toward Islam have hardened since 2001. In November 2001, with the memory of the World Trade Center attacks fresh in their minds, half of Americans told the Pew Forum poll that there was not much difference between Islam and their own religion. By 2007, the proportion had risen to 70%, the same percentage that opposes the Ground Zero Islamic center.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LH17Ak01.html

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Reply #78 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 11:15am
 
Don't you guys realise that you're stuck in a loop. It's ground hog day around here every day.

Nonetheless, for the sake of engaging you media mushrooms, I suppose on the same principle the Iraqis should oppose the building of Christian churches in Iraq. After all, as per a Lancet article, the illegal invasion( as per UN Charter) of Iraq precipitated the death of some 800,000 people. They would have at the very least as much justification as America for that stance- if you accept that as justification. I wonder what a gallup poll would show there.

I suppose whilst we're lingering on terrorism, if you thumb through the pages of history since 1945, you will see bully boy USA causing all sorts of mayhem all over the world resulting in millions of deaths. Some significant events have included Korea, Vietnam, and lets not forget their egregious behaviour in various South American countries. Of course, we now have Afghanistan and the bogus war on terrorism- more like it's a war for the trillion dollars worth of minerals there. Of course, I might be cynical but then again it seems that wars throughout history have been fought for booty.

Sure, let's all put voice against the evils in this world from wherever they come. What that group of extremists did on 9/11 was undeniably wrong. However, let's not forget that a band of extremists do not represent an entire population or religious group.

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Reply #79 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:58pm
 
Ziggy wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 11:15am:
Don't you guys realise that you're stuck in a loop. It's ground hog day around here every day.

Nonetheless, for the sake of engaging you media mushrooms, I suppose on the same principle the Iraqis should oppose the building of Christian churches in Iraq. After all, as per a Lancet article, the illegal invasion( as per UN Charter) of Iraq precipitated the death of some 800,000 people. They would have at the very least as much justification as America for that stance- if you accept that as justification. I wonder what a gallup poll would show there.

I suppose whilst we're lingering on terrorism, if you thumb through the pages of history since 1945, you will see bully boy USA causing all sorts of mayhem all over the world resulting in millions of deaths. Some significant events have included Korea, Vietnam, and lets not forget their egregious behaviour in various South American countries. Of course, we now have Afghanistan and the bogus war on terrorism- more like it's a war for the trillion dollars worth of minerals there. Of course, I might be cynical but then again it seems that wars throughout history have been fought for booty.

Sure, let's all put voice against the evils in this world from wherever they come. What that group of extremists did on 9/11 was undeniably wrong. However, let's not forget that a band of extremists do not represent an entire population or religious group.




Tell it to the victims of terrorism, and of the genocidal Saddam Hussein dictatorship.
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Reply #80 - Aug 20th, 2010 at 7:18pm
 
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Nonetheless, for the sake of engaging you media mushrooms, I suppose on the same principle the Iraqis should oppose the building of Christian churches in Iraq. After all, as per a Lancet article, the illegal invasion( as per UN Charter) of Iraq precipitated the death of some 800,000 people. They would have at the very least as much justification as America for that stance- if you accept that as justification. I wonder what a gallup poll would show there.


The WTC attacks were religiously motivated. The invasion of Iraq was not.

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Of course, we now have Afghanistan and the bogus war on terrorism- more like it's a war for the trillion dollars worth of minerals there. Of course, I might be cynical but then again it seems that wars throughout history have been fought for booty.


Do you honestly think the Americans are making money out of either war? Think about it.
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Reply #81 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 7:20am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:58pm:
Ziggy wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 11:15am:
Don't you guys realise that you're stuck in a loop. It's ground hog day around here every day.

Nonetheless, for the sake of engaging you media mushrooms, I suppose on the same principle the Iraqis should oppose the building of Christian churches in Iraq. After all, as per a Lancet article, the illegal invasion( as per UN Charter) of Iraq precipitated the death of some 800,000 people. They would have at the very least as much justification as America for that stance- if you accept that as justification. I wonder what a gallup poll would show there.

I suppose whilst we're lingering on terrorism, if you thumb through the pages of history since 1945, you will see bully boy USA causing all sorts of mayhem all over the world resulting in millions of deaths. Some significant events have included Korea, Vietnam, and lets not forget their egregious behaviour in various South American countries. Of course, we now have Afghanistan and the bogus war on terrorism- more like it's a war for the trillion dollars worth of minerals there. Of course, I might be cynical but then again it seems that wars throughout history have been fought for booty.

Sure, let's all put voice against the evils in this world from wherever they come. What that group of extremists did on 9/11 was undeniably wrong. However, let's not forget that a band of extremists do not represent an entire population or religious group.




Tell it to the victims of terrorism, and of the genocidal Saddam Hussein dictatorship.



Unfortunately more Iraqi's have died during both Gulf Wars and the 10 year embargo of that nation than Saddam's long dictatorship ever caused.
Because whether we like it or not, it was Saddam's boot on the neck of the radicals in that country which kept a lid on things over there.
And what else is unfortunate, is that terrorism now thrives in Iraq where before it was non existant.
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Reply #82 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 7:46am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 7:18pm:
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Nonetheless, for the sake of engaging you media mushrooms, I suppose on the same principle the Iraqis should oppose the building of Christian churches in Iraq. After all, as per a Lancet article, the illegal invasion( as per UN Charter) of Iraq precipitated the death of some 800,000 people. They would have at the very least as much justification as America for that stance- if you accept that as justification. I wonder what a gallup poll would show there.


The WTC attacks were religiously motivated. The invasion of Iraq was not.


You can't just say 9/11 was religiously motivated. It went a lot deeper than that and the US certainly didn't have clean hands.

It was a revenge attack of mammoth proportions, although certainly nowhere near as horrific as the attack on Hiroshima & Nagasaki.
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Reply #83 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 8:39am
 
http://www.infowars.com/mosque-imam%E2%80%99s-wife-injects-more-religious-fervor-into-ground-zero-debate/

Mosque Imam’s Wife Injects More Religious Fervor Into Ground Zero Debate
                                    
Tensions being heightened as more elite backers are revealed
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The wife of ‘Imam’ Feisal Abdul Rauf, the founder of the proposed mosque three blocks away from ground zero in lower Manhattan has further fanned the flames of the controversy by comparing opposition to the project to a hatred of Jews.
“We are deeply concerned, because this is like a metastasized antisemitism,” Daisy Khan said in an interview with ABC News on Sunday.
Ms. Khan is an executive director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA), putting her at the forefront of the proposed 15-story Cordoba House building, along with her husband Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.
“It’s beyond Islamophobia. It’s hate of Muslims.” Khan added in comments picked up and pushed by other mainstream media sources.
Khan, appearing on “This Week” said that she and her husband were determined to push ahead with the mosque, adding that there is “too much at stake.”

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As we reported in our article last Friday, Imam Rauf is a sitting member of the ultra elitist Council On Foreign Relations (CFR) and in his role at ASMA has also received financial backing for the mosque from powerful globalist sources including the Rockefellers and the Carnegie Corporation.
Employees of the Cordoba Initiative have refused to comment on the connection, with one stating that “It is not necessary to disclose” who is funding the mosque.
It has since emerged that evangelist Jim Wallis and his Sojourners publication, the CFR’s “Christian” backers of the Cordoba project, are heavily backed by the left arm of the globalist franchise, billionaire George Soros’ Open Society Institute.
Another report revealed that Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, the co-owner of News Corp., the parent company of Fox News, has also directly funded Rauf’s projects to the tune of more than $300,000.
It seems that every elite tentacle is extending itself into the mosque project.
This information provides a compelling backdrop to the theory that the move to establish the mosque is a deliberate attempt to further stoke religious tensions and divert attention away from the real enemy of free humanity, the corporate globalist elite who continue to profit from global war and division.
Indeed, intelligence officials suggested over the weekend that the spectacle could boost extremist movements by fueling feelings of discrimination and vilification via ongoing extensive news media coverage in Muslim countries.
Scenes at the proposed site, some two minutes walk away from the World Trade Center complex, have become heated, with clashes between protesters both for and against the mosque.
The media is today playing up a video showing protesters confronting an African American man who they presumed was a muslim, but in fact was not:
(WARNING – CONTAINS PROFANITY)

http://www.infowars.com/mosque-imam%E2%80%99s-wife-injects-more-religious-fervor-into-ground-zero-debate/
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Reply #84 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 8:48am
 
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As we reported in our article last Friday, Imam Rauf is a sitting member of the ultra elitist Council On Foreign Relations (CFR) and in his role at ASMA has also received financial backing for the mosque from powerful globalist sources including the Rockefellers and the Carnegie Corporation.

Employees of the Cordoba Initiative have refused to comment on the connection, with one stating that “It is not necessary to disclose” who is funding the mosque.


Strange! It looks like a conspiracy by the Jews to inflame the hatred towards the Muslims.

This might not be the case, but if it was a genuine gesture of reconciliation between the two religions - there would be no secrecy about this deal.
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Reply #85 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:10am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 7:20am:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:58pm:
Ziggy wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 11:15am:
Don't you guys realise that you're stuck in a loop. It's ground hog day around here every day.

Nonetheless, for the sake of engaging you media mushrooms, I suppose on the same principle the Iraqis should oppose the building of Christian churches in Iraq. After all, as per a Lancet article, the illegal invasion( as per UN Charter) of Iraq precipitated the death of some 800,000 people. They would have at the very least as much justification as America for that stance- if you accept that as justification. I wonder what a gallup poll would show there.

I suppose whilst we're lingering on terrorism, if you thumb through the pages of history since 1945, you will see bully boy USA causing all sorts of mayhem all over the world resulting in millions of deaths. Some significant events have included Korea, Vietnam, and lets not forget their egregious behaviour in various South American countries. Of course, we now have Afghanistan and the bogus war on terrorism- more like it's a war for the trillion dollars worth of minerals there. Of course, I might be cynical but then again it seems that wars throughout history have been fought for booty.

Sure, let's all put voice against the evils in this world from wherever they come. What that group of extremists did on 9/11 was undeniably wrong. However, let's not forget that a band of extremists do not represent an entire population or religious group.




Tell it to the victims of terrorism, and of the genocidal Saddam Hussein dictatorship.



Unfortunately more Iraqi's have died during both Gulf Wars and the 10 year embargo of that nation than Saddam's long dictatorship ever caused.
Because whether we like it or not, it was Saddam's boot on the neck of the radicals in that country which kept a lid on things over there.
And what else is unfortunate, is that terrorism now thrives in Iraq where before it was non existant.


I`m aware of those facts Lips.  I also believe that Hussein was probably the best man for "controlling" Iraq in his time, problem was that the only reason for this was that he was the strongest, psychopathic terrorist on the block. 

When appraising the figures of this case we need to be aware that the actions of the coalition have given Iraq a fighting chance at gaining freedom from tyranny.  Having said that, I do harbor doubts that the national character of these people, and their various brands of Islam can ever allow peace.
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Reply #86 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:46am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:10am:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 7:20am:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:58pm:
Ziggy wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 11:15am:
Don't you guys realise that you're stuck in a loop. It's ground hog day around here every day.

Nonetheless, for the sake of engaging you media mushrooms, I suppose on the same principle the Iraqis should oppose the building of Christian churches in Iraq. After all, as per a Lancet article, the illegal invasion( as per UN Charter) of Iraq precipitated the death of some 800,000 people. They would have at the very least as much justification as America for that stance- if you accept that as justification. I wonder what a gallup poll would show there.

I suppose whilst we're lingering on terrorism, if you thumb through the pages of history since 1945, you will see bully boy USA causing all sorts of mayhem all over the world resulting in millions of deaths. Some significant events have included Korea, Vietnam, and lets not forget their egregious behaviour in various South American countries. Of course, we now have Afghanistan and the bogus war on terrorism- more like it's a war for the trillion dollars worth of minerals there. Of course, I might be cynical but then again it seems that wars throughout history have been fought for booty.

Sure, let's all put voice against the evils in this world from wherever they come. What that group of extremists did on 9/11 was undeniably wrong. However, let's not forget that a band of extremists do not represent an entire population or religious group.




Tell it to the victims of terrorism, and of the genocidal Saddam Hussein dictatorship.



Unfortunately more Iraqi's have died during both Gulf Wars and the 10 year embargo of that nation than Saddam's long dictatorship ever caused.
Because whether we like it or not, it was Saddam's boot on the neck of the radicals in that country which kept a lid on things over there.
And what else is unfortunate, is that terrorism now thrives in Iraq where before it was non existant.


I`m aware of those facts Lips.  I also believe that Hussein was probably the best man for "controlling" Iraq in his time, problem was that the only reason for this was that he was the strongest, psychopathic terrorist on the block.  

When appraising the figures of this case we need to be aware that the actions of the coalition have given Iraq a fighting chance at gaining freedom from tyranny.  Having said that, I do harbor doubts that the national character of these people, and their various brands of Islam can ever allow peace.


Saddam unfortunately was the best man for the job, simply because he stayed alive long enough to keep the foreign extremists out of the country, and keep the local factions under control.
And if he wasn't the biggest psychopathic terrorist in the region, he would have been assassinated by the Kurds or another group like all his predessors were.
The small fighting chance given to the Iraqi's today has seen the extremists given a very large fighting chance to do what they do best.
So cutting off our nose to spite our face may not have been the best course of action after all as we are now finding out.
Iraq's 5000 year old history has very few pages of democratic reform in it, and imposing our one size fits all 200 year old value system on them unfortunately won't be accepted, and is continuing to grow resentment against us.
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Reply #87 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:52am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:46am:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:10am:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 7:20am:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 6:58pm:
Ziggy wrote on Aug 20th, 2010 at 11:15am:
Don't you guys realise that you're stuck in a loop. It's ground hog day around here every day.

Nonetheless, for the sake of engaging you media mushrooms, I suppose on the same principle the Iraqis should oppose the building of Christian churches in Iraq. After all, as per a Lancet article, the illegal invasion( as per UN Charter) of Iraq precipitated the death of some 800,000 people. They would have at the very least as much justification as America for that stance- if you accept that as justification. I wonder what a gallup poll would show there.

I suppose whilst we're lingering on terrorism, if you thumb through the pages of history since 1945, you will see bully boy USA causing all sorts of mayhem all over the world resulting in millions of deaths. Some significant events have included Korea, Vietnam, and lets not forget their egregious behaviour in various South American countries. Of course, we now have Afghanistan and the bogus war on terrorism- more like it's a war for the trillion dollars worth of minerals there. Of course, I might be cynical but then again it seems that wars throughout history have been fought for booty.

Sure, let's all put voice against the evils in this world from wherever they come. What that group of extremists did on 9/11 was undeniably wrong. However, let's not forget that a band of extremists do not represent an entire population or religious group.




Tell it to the victims of terrorism, and of the genocidal Saddam Hussein dictatorship.



Unfortunately more Iraqi's have died during both Gulf Wars and the 10 year embargo of that nation than Saddam's long dictatorship ever caused.
Because whether we like it or not, it was Saddam's boot on the neck of the radicals in that country which kept a lid on things over there.
And what else is unfortunate, is that terrorism now thrives in Iraq where before it was non existant.


I`m aware of those facts Lips.  I also believe that Hussein was probably the best man for "controlling" Iraq in his time, problem was that the only reason for this was that he was the strongest, psychopathic terrorist on the block.  

When appraising the figures of this case we need to be aware that the actions of the coalition have given Iraq a fighting chance at gaining freedom from tyranny.  Having said that, I do harbor doubts that the national character of these people, and their various brands of Islam can ever allow peace.


Saddam unfortunately was the best man for the job, simply because he stayed alive long enough to keep the foreign extremists out of the country, and keep the local factions under control.
And if he wasn't the biggest psychopathic terrorist in the region, he would have been assassinated by the Kurds or another group like all his predessors were.
The small fighting chance given to the Iraqi's today has seen the extremists given a very large fighting chance to do what they do best.
So cutting off our nose to spite our face may not have been the best course of action after all as we are now finding out.
Iraq's 5000 year old history has very few pages of democratic reform in it, and imposing our one size fits all 200 year old value system on them unfortunately won't be accepted, and is continuing to grow resentment against us.


Let them kill each other for all I care.  If it wasn`t for oil money they`d still be riding camels and bashing their wives in another 15,000 years, or 15 million years, for that matter.
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Reply #88 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 10:11am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 13th, 2010 at 9:57pm:
Yeh I agree it shouldn't be built there...

It should be built ON the site itself, to show the true conquest of Islam as being complete!!!  Grin


This is not an uncommon view amongst more extreme Muslims, and is acknowledged as being divisive by moderate Muslims.

None the less, the first amendment makes it the right of all to establish and express their religion, so that if Muslims with to establish and peach near ground zero and link that mosque to Islamic conquest in the West, they are free to do so.

It works in the West's favour also, because if these rumours of war with Iran, which Israel is preparing for, come to fruition and the US must act with their Allies Israel, that mosque near ground zero will become a symbol of retaliation to be exacted by The West against Islamic Iran, in the thoughts of the small minded US and Israeli soldiers.
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Reply #89 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 7:29pm
 
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You can't just say 9/11 was religiously motivated. It went a lot deeper than that and the US certainly didn't have clean hands.


Those who orchestrated it view it as a religious war and interpret all the actions from both sides as Muslims vs non-Muslims. That's close enough for me.
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