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Reply #45 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 11:37am
 
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Gayest religion ever.


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Reply #46 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 11:41am
 
Mantra,

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I can't see why the Muslims would want to build a mosque there in the first place and I thought it was going to be made into a memorial park or similar.


As pointed out already it's not actually on the site, it's a coupla blocks away, so the memorial park thing has nothing to do with this.

Imperium,

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Gayest religion ever.


Finally we agree on something... it's not impossible.

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If you don't want me to want to kill you, then you must embrace democracy.


"Embrace my religion or I'll want to kill you"... it sounds like you actually subscribe to the kinds of things that people falsely accuse Islam of.

You don't belong in this country, maggots like you seriously should be deported, pronto!
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Reply #47 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 11:50am
 
The mosque is 2 blocks away from ground zero will be run by a moderate who was an adviser to the Bush govt..and the building will not just be a mosque.
There are no plans to build any mosque on ground zero  Smiley
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Reply #48 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 12:45pm
 
Amadd wrote on Aug 15th, 2010 at 11:13am:
And that's my deal. If you don't want me to want to kill you, then you must embrace democracy. No compromise there sorry. At leat I'm truthful.
Youy can be gay, Islamic, a scientologist..etc.
If you encroach upon my democracy, then I will have a will to kill, no exceptions.
Try me out.
Ok, I admit it, my religion is democracy.






So democracy always trumps human rights?

Would you support democracy if Muslims were the majority?
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Reply #49 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 1:07pm
 
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So tell me alpha dude, what is your religion?


I'm an atheist so I don't have one. If I could choose an actual religion, it would be Nordic paganism.

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We have fought and died for it for many a year buddy. Is that gay?


Would you be willing to fight and die for a democratic society consisting entirely (beyond yourself) of Indigenous Australians who have enacted a law -- by democratic consensus -- that says that you must relinquish 99.9% of your income to them? How about one directly inverse of the one you live in where heterosexual, rather than homosexual, marriage is illegal -- and its legislative status is maintained by a militant homosexual population that considers heterosexual relationships an abomination? How gay would that be?

Really smacking gay.

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Finally we agree on something... it's not impossible.


I think you'll find Abu that we agree on a lot more than I let on. I'm not a member of the "Islam sucks squad" here -- I see it in many respects as a formidable, warrior faith that brought a significant portion of the civilized world under its aegis, and brought the remnants of the Roman empire to its knees. Once Islam is abstracted from my own ethnic identity, I find myself sharing a lot, ideologically, in common with Musselmen. I still find many tenets of it distasteful and arbitrary, but it isn't in my interest whatsoever to care whether or not Moslems choose to discipline their women.
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Reply #50 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 3:02pm
 
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Would you be willing to fight and die for a democratic society consisting entirely (beyond yourself) of Indigenous Australians who have enacted a law -- by democratic consensus -- that says that you must relinquish 99.9% of your income to them? How about one directly inverse of the one you live in where heterosexual, rather than homosexual, marriage is illegal -- and its legislative status is maintained by a militant homosexual population that considers heterosexual relationships an abomination? How gay would that be?

Really smacking gay.


I wouldn't choose to reside in a nation that is not agreeable to me. Would you?
The fact is that democracy is an innate knowledge of what is right and fair. It's also an acceptance that one's version of right and fair may not agree with that of others.
Within a real democracy (as I see it), there is no requirement to subscribe to particular groups to make personal opinions count. Individual opinions stand alone, and if those opinions happen to coalesce, then what you have is a democratic opinion.

In our particular version of 'democracy', I wouldn't fight or die for it. I don't think that we have a democracy that provides choices anything beyond being eaten by a crocodile or an alligator.

Yes I see your point Imperium. My version of something to kill or die for belongs in yesteryear. There's nothing that I could feel so passionate about nowadays. To be honest, I really don't give a sh!t.

May as well leave it to the likes of Abu to dictate direction if you like. But it's not in the best interests of others...ie: Democracists.
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Reply #51 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 3:13pm
 
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I wouldn't choose to reside in a nation that is not agreeable to me. Would you?


Did you choose to live here, or was it an accident of birth?

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The fact is that democracy is an innate knowledge of what is right and fair.


Wrong. Democracy is rule by majority. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Wrong. Democracy is rule by majority. Nothing more, nothing less.





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Reply #53 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 8:39pm
 
Seems like the mosque is going to be declared kosher. The Americans themselves have no say in it, since their Zionist overlords have already ruled.



Jewish Leaders Gather to Support Ground Zero Mosque

By JILLIAN SCHARR
Updated 8:02 AM EDT, Fri, Aug 6, 2010


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Jewish community leaders gathered at the site of the proposed mosque and community center -- called the Cordoba Initiative -- Thursday afternoon to express their support for the controversial project.
"As Jews committed to religious freedom, to honest dialogue, to peacemaking, and to the celebration of the One God, we strongly support the plans of the Cordoba Initiative to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center at the tip of Manhattan, near the site of the World Trade Centers destroyed on 9/11," said Rabbi Ellen Lippman at the rally.
Daisy Khan, co-founder of the Cordoba Initiative and wife of Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, also spoke briefly at the rally, thanking the New York City Jewish community for their support.  Rabbi Lippman presented Khan with traditional Jewish housewarming gifts: bread, honey, salt, and a candle, representing sustenance, sweetness, spice, and light.
The proposal to build the mosque has sparked widespread controversy throughout the city and garnered nationwide reaction as politicians, religious leaders and civilians alike weigh in on the plan. Some say that building a mosque two blocks from the World Trade Center is "an intolerable and tragic mistake," in the words of Sarah Palin, who came out against the mosque on her Facebook.
The project's source of funding is also a source of controversy.  Imam Rauf has said that the estimated $100 million would be raised in the U.S., but told a London-based Arabic newspaper that the money would come from Muslims throughout the world. Skeptics, concerned that the center will have foreign funding, which could conceivably come from fundamentalist Islamic groups, have expressed frustration that Rauf Rauf has not named any specific sources of funding as of yet.
The Siena Research Institute (SRI) released a poll Thursday that showed that 61 percent of New Yorkers oppose the mosque's construction. The poll also found that "over half of all New Yorkers and NYC residents either agree that the project would prmote tolerance or are, at least, willing to listen," SRI Director Don Levy said in the release.
Khan declined to answer questions, but Rabbi Arthur Waskow of the Shalom Center said of the funding: "We don't want to deal with that right now.  This is a time for celebration, for welcoming.  When you give people salt, bread, honey and candles, you don't ask them 'Now who paid to put up the house?' You welcome them into the house.  that's what we are here to do."
After the rally, Lippman told reporters that the Jewish communities represented at the rally have no information about the Cordoba Institute's funding, nor do they have any plans to fundraise for the center in the immediate future.
Rally speakers also criticized the ADL's recent statement in opposition to the Cordoba Center's construction.  "Though the ADL has often done good work, in this specific case -- whatever its intention--it has undermined those very adherents of Islam who uphold the Quran's teachings of peace, who condemn terrorsm, and who share with some Jews, some Christians, and some others a commitment to the Unity of God," said Lippman.
Rabbi Waskow concluded his statement at the rally with an anecdote: "I've heard some people say 'well, if it was just the community center, okay, but a mosque?' reminds me of an old Jewish story about somebody who came to a synagogue on Yom Kippur but he didn't have a ticket, and [had to]  the person at the door, and finally the guy at the door said 'all right, i'll let you in--but i don't want to catch you praying!'  I want to catch us, us Jews, us Muslims, us Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, meditating, praying, not in the same identical ways with each other, but with each other toward the One who is beyond us all."
The rally comes after the Landmark Preservation Committee decided on Tuesday not to grand landmark status to the building scheduled to be demolished as part of the construction, clearing the way for the project to continue. Opponents of the construction, however, have launched a lawsuit challenging the committee's decision.

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Reply #54 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 8:44pm
 
Love it - if a jew says it it must be OK.  Wish you applied it to all other aspects of your life.




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Reply #55 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 9:22pm
 
Ok, I can see you're a tough nut to crack soren, how about this one?

Jon Stewart: Ground Zero Mosque
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Reply #56 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 10:26pm
 
Pure and simple logic here.

It's an insult to those who died.

How on earth can you possibly have a mosque, which is Mulsim, next to where Muslims committed the worst crime in America's history?

It defies logic
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Reply #57 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 10:37pm
 
It's an insult only in the minds of simpleton mungbeans who can't fathom that "Muslims" did not commit any crime.

Even if we go with the peddled lines about OBL being responsible for 9/11, that's got absolutely nothing to do with this group building a cultural centre. It's like saying because some Christians carried out the crusades, or because Christians from France liquidated 1/3 of the population of Algeria during their occupation, therefore no Churches should be allowed in Palestine, Lebanon or Algeria.

Get a grip on yourself.
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Reply #58 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 10:46pm
 
accordig to abu, muslims never committ any crime
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Reply #59 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 10:55pm
 
Then Abu has a few loose screws.

They admited they did it.

The Cordoba Centre is touted as being a mosque and cultural centre.

Like hell it is............just the name of the place is an insult to those who died.

Building the mosque is in effect building a triumphal mosque marking Islam’s superiority and victory — which is how the Ground Zero mosque will be viewed in the Islamic world
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