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Reply #195 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:13pm

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:59pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:21pm:

Trying to appear clever does not make you clever.

Any Muslim organisation that is still pushing for a mosque at Cordoba House is a terrorist-supporting organisation, at best.
Those who insist, in the face of so much genuine objection from the families of the murdered, on a mosque by the co-religionists of the murderers who shouted 'Allahu Akhbar' in their final seconds, are evil fvcks, to speak Arabic for a moment. Your sidling up to them is putting you in a dangerously close-by basket - and I use the word 'basket' advisedly when describing your case.

And I have two PG degrees, so you can get buggered, as far as comparing credentials is concerned. I hope this is not too insensitive and you feel the ecumenism with which I offer you this advice to get buggered. In peace.
As I said, if all you can be is a clever bugger, PG or no PG, well, you are setting youself too low an aspiration.

I hope you feel my pain and take the appropriate steps to obtain penance.

Hi Soren - the only reason I raised my postgrad was because I was asked by another poster what I had been doing lately - that's all.

And my posts have been aimed at showing just how flawed the logic used by Fox News and the New York Post is - attempting to draw a link between Hamas and the "Ground Zero Mosque".

I would not put ANYTHING past a Muslim organisation that still support Cordoba House. Knowing their clannish ways, I think any Hamas connection (actual or sympathetic) is stronger than it appears. I think that only completely vicious Islamic front bottoms still support that mosque because they put the triumph of Islam above any other consideration. In the context of a free society like the US, that is nothing but a provocation. Not to see that is to be wilfully stupid - a provocative thing in itself.i

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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #196 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:16pm

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:13pm:

I would not put ANYTHING past a Muslim organisation that still support Cordoba House. Knowing their clannish ways, I think any Hamas connection (actual or sympathetic) is stronger than it appears. I think that only completely vicious Islamic front bottoms still support that mosque because they put the triumph of Islam above any other consideration. In the context of a free society like the US, that is nothing but a provocation. Not to see that is to be wilfully stupid - a provocative thing in itself.

Hey Soren,

Whilst the above might well be the case (though I'm not convinced it is), all my posts were made to show the tenuous link made by Fox News and the New York Post, and how that reasoning is deeply flawed. That is all.

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Reply #197 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:29pm

It is not deeply flawed.

If you are a 'religion of peace'-type, you give it away and seek harmony.

If you a vicious front bottom, supporting hamas or hizb ul tahrir of any other confrontational Islamic sect, you support the mosque, despite or because of the disharmony your support engenders. The disharmony trumps any other consideration for front bottoms.

I don't see what is hard to grasp about any of this. Pretending that Muslims are like Anglicans - conciliatory and awkward - is the sign of deep and ineradicable cvntness. You come across as pretending just that.

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Reply #198 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:38pm

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:29pm:

It is not deeply flawed.

If you are a 'religion of peace'-type, you give it away and seek harmony.

If you a vicious front bottom, supporting hamas or hizb ul tahrir of any other confrontational Islamic sect, you support the mosque, despite or because of the disharmony your support engenders. The disharmony trumps any other consideration for front bottoms.

I don't see what is hard to grasp about any of this. Pretending that Muslims are like Anglicans - conciliatory and awkward - is the sign of deep and ineradicable cvntness. You come across as pretending just that.

That being the case, you seemed to have drawn a completely different link between Hamas and the "Ground Zero Mosque" and it's supporters (as opposed to that link made by Fox News and the NYP)

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic Reply #199 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:42pm You don't make sense. Speak plainly.
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Jaykaye_09 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 583 Gender:	Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic Reply #200 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 10:27pm Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:42pm: You don't make sense. Speak plainly. Heh. That's funny. You're funny.
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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #201 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 4:05pm

Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:34pm:

Thanks Soren.

I have been playing games with him and was just typing a response. He was well know at Yahoo for being a self opinionated pain in the butt.

No. He was well known at yahoo for continually destroying your arguments with logic and rationality.

The fact that he is young only rubbed more salt into the wounds he gave you and you cant get over that.

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summertime Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77	Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic Reply #202 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 6:04pm I think this is perfect muslim logic to stick it to the infidel . Real harmony creators this lot.
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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #203 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 6:25pm

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 4:05pm:

Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:34pm:

Thanks Soren.

I have been playing games with him and was just typing a response. He was well know at Yahoo for being a self opinionated pain in the butt.

No. He was well known at yahoo for continually destroying your arguments with logic and rationality.

The fact that he is young only rubbed more salt into the wounds he gave you and you cant get over that.

Rot...........It’s already been picked up on here.

He's a self opinionated immature little boy.

He didn't "destroying arguments with logic and rationality."

I hardly exchanged words, except to tell him what he is/was. Baha was the one who argued with him constantly.

A tip for you,which may not even be of concern, but as I am now somewhat knowledgeable about Japanese law, in regards to Australian, thanks to a little so-and so of an ex daughter in law, it's worth passing on the knowledge, as I have spent a good deal of time at Sydney uni with Prof. Luke Nottage

Your marriage may be sound, but beware when, and if, you have a child, because a child born of a Japanese mother, has to be registered in Japan with that name, not her married name. She then can obtain a Japanese passport, thereby by-passing an "Airport Watch" court order, if you are living here.

Japan is not a signatory to the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction, so if a child is taken out of this country, even with a court order in place, our government can do nothing about it.

I have been in contact a few times with the DFAT legal department, they knew nothing of this, which I find amazing, even though it is a huge hole in our legal and immigration system. No one seems concerned. Once all this election nonsense has died down, I will be contacting the relevant Minister. No wonder so many children get taken illegally out of this country.

We were lucky that my son thought that she may have obtained an Japanese passport, when he applied for an "Airport Watch" The Federal Magistrate asked her if she had and hit the roof when given an answer in the affirmative.. She told her the passport had to be handed to the court within 24 hours. My son was also concerned that she might apply for a new one, in place of her “lost one” She was then told that if she did, she would be in contempt of court and have to serve time in gaol.

This whole thing has been quite an eye opener as to how wrong one can be about a person. It is still going on and has made me very ill, because this young lady has no thought for her child in her actions, all she is intent on doing is destroying my son, who fortunately is weathering the storm well.

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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #204 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 7:58pm

Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 6:25pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 4:05pm:

Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:34pm:

Thanks Soren.

I have been playing games with him and was just typing a response. He was well know at Yahoo for being a self opinionated pain in the butt.

No. He was well known at yahoo for continually destroying your arguments with logic and rationality.

The fact that he is young only rubbed more salt into the wounds he gave you and you cant get over that.

Rot...........It’s already been picked up on here.

He's a self opinionated immature little boy.

He didn't "destroying arguments with logic and rationality."

I hardly exchanged words, except to tell him what he is/was. Baha was the one who argued with him constantly.

A tip for you,which may not even be of concern, but as I am now somewhat knowledgeable about Japanese law, in regards to Australian, thanks to a little so-and so of an ex daughter in law, it's worth passing on the knowledge, as I have spent a good deal of time at Sydney uni with Prof. Luke Nottage

Your marriage may be sound, but beware when, and if, you have a child, because a child born of a Japanese mother, has to be registered in Japan with that name, not her married name. She then can obtain a Japanese passport, thereby by-passing an "Airport Watch" court order, if you are living here.

Japan is not a signatory to the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction, so if a child is taken out of this country, even with a court order in place, our government can do nothing about it.

I have been in contact a few times with the DFAT legal department, they knew nothing of this, which I find amazing, even though it is a huge hole in our legal and immigration system. No one seems concerned. Once all this election nonsense has died down, I will be contacting the relevant Minister. No wonder so many children get taken illegally out of this country.

We were lucky that my son thought that she may have obtained an Japanese passport, when he applied for an "Airport Watch" The Federal Magistrate asked her if she had and hit the roof when given an answer in the affirmative.. She told her the passport had to be handed to the court within 24 hours. My son was also concerned that she might apply for a new one, in place of her “lost one” She was then told that if she did, she would be in contempt of court and have to serve time in gaol.

This whole thing has been quite an eye opener as to how wrong one can be about a person. It is still going on and has made me very ill, because this young lady has no thought for her child in her actions, all she is intent on doing is destroying my son, who fortunately is weathering the storm well.

Yep I am aware of that.

There is a fairly high profile campaign in Japan now to get it to sign the hague agreements.

A couple of western dads over here started the campaign to get access to their kids.

I dont think it will be very long before japan feels the pressure and becomes a signatory.

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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103049	Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic Reply #205 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 8:23pm Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:29pm: It is not deeply flawed. If you are a 'religion of peace'-type, you give it away and seek harmony. Just like ourselves, dear. Everything we post here is written in love to seek harmony with our fellow brothers and sisters in God. Allah Akbar!
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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #206 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 8:35pm

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 7:58pm:

Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 6:25pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 4:05pm:

Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:34pm:

Thanks Soren.

I have been playing games with him and was just typing a response. He was well know at Yahoo for being a self opinionated pain in the butt.

No. He was well known at yahoo for continually destroying your arguments with logic and rationality.

The fact that he is young only rubbed more salt into the wounds he gave you and you cant get over that.

Rot...........It’s already been picked up on here.

He's a self opinionated immature little boy.

He didn't "destroying arguments with logic and rationality."

I hardly exchanged words, except to tell him what he is/was. Baha was the one who argued with him constantly.

A tip for you,which may not even be of concern, but as I am now somewhat knowledgeable about Japanese law, in regards to Australian, thanks to a little so-and so of an ex daughter in law, it's worth passing on the knowledge, as I have spent a good deal of time at Sydney uni with Prof. Luke Nottage

Your marriage may be sound, but beware when, and if, you have a child, because a child born of a Japanese mother, has to be registered in Japan with that name, not her married name. She then can obtain a Japanese passport, thereby by-passing an "Airport Watch" court order, if you are living here.

Japan is not a signatory to the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction, so if a child is taken out of this country, even with a court order in place, our government can do nothing about it.

I have been in contact a few times with the DFAT legal department, they knew nothing of this, which I find amazing, even though it is a huge hole in our legal and immigration system. No one seems concerned. Once all this election nonsense has died down, I will be contacting the relevant Minister. No wonder so many children get taken illegally out of this country.

We were lucky that my son thought that she may have obtained an Japanese passport, when he applied for an "Airport Watch" The Federal Magistrate asked her if she had and hit the roof when given an answer in the affirmative.. She told her the passport had to be handed to the court within 24 hours. My son was also concerned that she might apply for a new one, in place of her “lost one” She was then told that if she did, she would be in contempt of court and have to serve time in gaol.

This whole thing has been quite an eye opener as to how wrong one can be about a person. It is still going on and has made me very ill, because this young lady has no thought for her child in her actions, all she is intent on doing is destroying my son, who fortunately is weathering the storm well.

Yep I am aware of that.

There is a fairly high profile campaign in Japan now to get it to sign the hague agreements.

A couple of western dads over here started the campaign to get access to their kids.

I dont think it will be very long before japan feels the pressure and becomes a signatory.

Japan is not a signatory to any conventions of the Hague. They have always kept away from signing any thing.

Something has to be done here too and I WILL do something. I wasn't raised in a political house for nothing!!!

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Jaykaye_09 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 583 Gender:	Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic Reply #207 - Sep 14^th, 2010 at 7:39pm So Cockney . . . you watched that CNN interview yet, you know, to see what was actually said?
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Reply #208 - Sep 17^th, 2010 at 2:07pm

When trying to read the minds of others, the only result is that you expose your own stupidity. Its the Islamists who are separated from mainstream Australia with his illusions of the dark ages superiority large. Islam is a religious fanatic trapped in the mentality of the Old Testament, which can never progress to become an honourable belief system.

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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic Reply #209 - Sep 17^th, 2010 at 2:18pm My Nipponese friend has kindly asked for me to ask this Forum to stop referring to his people/coutry/etc as Japan/Japanese or he will go back to calling Australia/Australians as Poofters!
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