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Reply #180 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 4:56pm

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 1:45pm:

Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:31am:

now it transpires that a key money - man behind the proposed Ground Zero mosque is a one-time supporter of a group shut down by the feds because it was a front for Hamas.

We've already discussed this Cockney.

You (or the New York Post's editor) have made a tenuous link which really doesn't 'prove' anything. It's a classic case of 'guilt by association', the logic behind which would also see Fox News (another source you used concerning this story) have links to Hamas.

It's stupidity.

Oh, and getting news from the New York Post . . . Bravo.

“already discussed this Cockney”
Have you……..so that makes it OK.?

I think you have a few wired crossed here or there, or a few loose screws, or are self- opinionated, self absorbed individual. Which ever way you care to look at it.

By your assumption, if you don't like or approve of my point of reference, then it's no good.
The New York Post, established on Nov. 16, 1801 as the New-York Evening Post, describes itself as the nation's oldest continuously published daily newspaper

You have issues with that for some unknown reason. Quite astounding

So if we go with the publication of your choice, all it is acceptable. Why is your choice of news source better than anyone else’s

"Therefore, using your logic (and theirs), the New York Post has ties to Hamas”
I think you have some issues that need to be dealt with after that kind of a remark. Really. !.

Truly childish and hilarious.

An addition for you. I doubt the publication in question, which you don’t like, and we won’t mention, got is information from nowhere,

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Reply #181 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 7:07pm

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 3:08pm:

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 2:56pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 1:51pm:

Has shirl finally switched to ozpolitic?

Heh. Don't know, but it feels like something might be missing...

How have you been?

Busy doing nothing.

Enjoyed a long stint away from messageboards during my summer holidays but now an back at work with oodles of time on my hands and I feel I'm getting back sucked in again.

Yourself?

Ah, of course. I keep forgetting you're from that part of the world.

I'm doing my postgrad and, by extension, seem to have a bit of time on my hands at the moment . . . Kind of.

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Jaykaye_09 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 583 Gender:	Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic Reply #182 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 7:08pm darkhall67 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 3:15pm: Her calling you "rude and arrogant" is a pretty big tell too. It all just seems less coherent than usual. Still...
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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #183 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 7:15pm

Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 4:56pm:

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 1:45pm:

Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:31am:

now it transpires that a key money - man behind the proposed Ground Zero mosque is a one-time supporter of a group shut down by the feds because it was a front for Hamas.

We've already discussed this Cockney.

You (or the New York Post's editor) have made a tenuous link which really doesn't 'prove' anything. It's a classic case of 'guilt by association', the logic behind which would also see Fox News (another source you used concerning this story) have links to Hamas.

It's stupidity.

Oh, and getting news from the New York Post . . . Bravo.

“already discussed this Cockney”

Have you……..so that makes it OK.?

I think you have a few wired crossed here or there, or a few loose screws, or are self- opinionated, self absorbed individual. Which ever way you care to look at it.

By your assumption, if you don't like or approve of my point of reference, then it's no good.

The New York Post, established on Nov. 16, 1801 as the New-York Evening Post, describes itself as the nation's oldest continuously published daily newspaper

You have issues with that for some unknown reason. Quite astounding

So if we go with the publication of your choice, all it is acceptable. Why is your choice of news source better than anyone else’s

"Therefore, using your logic (and theirs), the New York Post has ties to Hamas”

I think you have some issues that need to be dealt with after that kind of a remark. Really. !.

Truly childish and hilarious.

An addition for you. I doubt the publication in question, which you don’t like, and we won’t mention, got is information from nowhere,

I'm aware of the history of the New York Post, and I'm also aware that it has rightly come under much criticism for becoming little more than a tabloid - routinely coming under fire for it's sensationalist and manipulative "reporting". Clearly you're a fan of Wikipedia, so I'm sure you can find more about that there. And, you may not like to admit it, but some news organisations are more reputable than others.

And my comment concerning the New York Post's link to Hamas only follows your line of reasoning (and that of the NY Post and Fox News).

See if you can follow:

HLF was the biggest Islamic Charity in the United States for a long time, and had a long list of contributors. Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, donated to the Council on American-Islamic Relations (an organisation directly linked with HLF which also had charges brought against it).

Al-Waleed bin Talal is News Corporation's (owners of the New York Post and Fox News Network as you already know) second largest shareholder.

Which, by your logic (i.e. Fox New's logic) would suggest that News Corp, Fox News and the New York Post have ties to Hamas.

See the problem there.

It's the same sort of link you're trying to establish between the "Ground Zero Mosque" and "terrorist organisations". It's not a matter of the information being incorrect, it's a matter of it's relevance beyond guilt by association.

It's pathetic, and doesn't stand up to common sense.

You've so far failed to provide anything that shows otherwise.

Sorry.

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Cockney Doll Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 333 Queens Park.Sydney	Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic Reply #184 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 7:27pm Truly unbelievable and you would have us believe you are about to undertake a course for a postgraduate degree
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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #185 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 7:37pm

Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 7:27pm:

Truly unbelievable and you would have us believe you are about to undertake a course for a postgraduate degree

Please do tell me what you find so unbelievable. I'll try and explain it further.

None of what I've written is wrong.

And I'm not about to commence my postgrad... I've already started.

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Reply #186 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 7:55pm

1. According to the New York Post and Fox News, the backing for the "Ground Zero Mosque" should come under question, after one of the alleged financiers was found to have donated to a large charity, the Holy Land Foundation, which was later found (by the US Courts) to have ties with Hamas.

2. The Holy Land Foundation was not the only organisation found to have ties to Hamas by prosecutors. Named in the same case by prosecutors was the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

3. Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal has in the past donated large charitable contributions to the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

4. Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is also the second largest shareholder of News Corporation, which owns the New York Post and Fox News Network.

5. Therefore, making the exact same connections that both the NY Post and Fox News have attempted to do concerning Hamas and the "Ground Zero Mosque", then one could also, without effort, make the same connections concerning Hamas and News Corporation (the NY Post and Fox News).

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Reply #187 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:21pm

Trying to appear clever does not make you clever.

Any Muslim organisation that is still pushing for a mosque at Cordoba House is a terrorist-supporting organisation, at best.
Those who insist, in the face of so much genuine objection from the families of the murdered, on a mosque by the co-religionists of the murderers who shouted 'Allahu Akhbar' in their final seconds, are evil fvcks, to speak Arabic for a moment. Your sidling up to them is putting you in a dangerously close-by basket - and I use the word 'basket' advisedly when describing your case.

And I have two PG degrees, so you can get buggered, as far as comparing credentials is concerned. I hope this is not too insensitive and you feel the ecumenism with which I offer you this advice to get buggered. In peace.
As I said, if all you can be is a clever bugger, PG or no PG, well, you are setting youself too low an aspiration.

I hope you feel my pain and take the appropriate steps to obtain penance.

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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #188 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:34pm

Thanks Soren.

I have been playing games with him and was just typing a response. He was well know at Yahoo for being a self opinionated pain in the butt.

What is unbelievable is the way you he is carrying on and on like a raving idiot. Which is a sign of immaturity. Who the hell cares and asked for his "EXPERT" opinion., I posted a topic and he acted like the be-all and know-all of everything.

I agree who cares, I also have two degrees, but degrees don't necessarily mean 'common sense', as is the case here.

Muslims don't care what anyone thinks.

Mosques traditionally have been built as a sign of a conquest. Hence the Cordoba mosque in Spain and now they want their symbol of victory at Ground Zero

There is much trouble ahead.

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Reply #189 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:50pm

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 7:15pm:

It's the same sort of link you're trying to establish between the "Ground Zero Mosque" and "terrorist organisations". It's not a matter of the information being incorrect, it's a matter of it's relevance beyond guilt by association.

Crap, as we have now grown to expect from you. A muslim organisation still supporting the mosque IS a terrorist organisation.
Citing a bunch Saudi princelings as proof of legitimacy and cosmopolitan credentials is stupid in the extreme, considering that most of the allahu akhbar-shouting fvckers on those planes 9 years ago were Saudis.

Good luck with your PG degree, it must be in the 'social sciences' field for you to be admitted with such lack of lustre.

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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #190 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:59pm

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:21pm:

Trying to appear clever does not make you clever.

Any Muslim organisation that is still pushing for a mosque at Cordoba House is a terrorist-supporting organisation, at best.
Those who insist, in the face of so much genuine objection from the families of the murdered, on a mosque by the co-religionists of the murderers who shouted 'Allahu Akhbar' in their final seconds, are evil fvcks, to speak Arabic for a moment. Your sidling up to them is putting you in a dangerously close-by basket - and I use the word 'basket' advisedly when describing your case.

And I have two PG degrees, so you can get buggered, as far as comparing credentials is concerned. I hope this is not too insensitive and you feel the ecumenism with which I offer you this advice to get buggered. In peace.
As I said, if all you can be is a clever bugger, PG or no PG, well, you are setting youself too low an aspiration.

I hope you feel my pain and take the appropriate steps to obtain penance.

Hi Soren - the only reason I raised my postgrad was because I was asked by another poster what I had been doing lately - that's all.

And my posts have been aimed at showing just how flawed the logic used by Fox News and the New York Post is - attempting to draw a link between Hamas and the "Ground Zero Mosque".

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Cockney Doll Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 333 Queens Park.Sydney	Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic Reply #191 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:00pm Good article in the Australian Conservative [url] http://australianconservative.com/2010/09/911-retrospective-%E2%80%93-islam-religion-of-peace-or-ideology-of-terror/ [/url]
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Reply #192 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:02pm

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:50pm:

Crap, as we have now grown to expect from you. A muslim organisation still supporting the mosque IS a terrorist organisation.
Citing a bunch Saudi princelings as proof of legitimacy and cosmopolitan credentials is stupid in the extreme, considering that most of the allahu akhbar-shouting fvckers on those planes 9 years ago were Saudis.

How so?

And the "Saudi Prince" is the second largest shareholder of News Corporation - the owner of the two news organisations which have made the link between Hamas and the "Ground Zero Mosque".

By citing Saudi involvement in terrorism, you've not exactly disproved my comments, rather shown them to be correct.

Cheers.

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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #193 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:04pm

Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:34pm:

Thanks Soren.

I have been playing games with him and was just typing a response. He was well know at Yahoo for being a self opinionated pain in the butt.

You and about two others were the only ones that thought as such... But anyway.

I didn't mention my postgraduate studies in an attempt to portray myself in a certain light - I did it because someone had asked what I had been up to lately. You're the one that brought it up following that.

That's all.

Work on your comprehension love.

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Reply #194 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:08pm

Anyway, as I don't wish to get bogged down in personal attacks - I'll stick with the topic at hand, and why I (and others) find that New York Post editorial to be severely flawed.

You're more than welcome to critique the points raised, but have failed to do so.

I still hold out some hope though.

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 7:55pm:

1. According to the New York Post and Fox News, the backing for the "Ground Zero Mosque" should come under question, after one of the alleged financiers was found to have donated to a large charity, the Holy Land Foundation, which was later found (by the US Courts) to have ties with Hamas.

2. The Holy Land Foundation was not the only organisation found to have ties to Hamas by prosecutors. Named in the same case by prosecutors was the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

3. Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal has in the past donated large charitable contributions to the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

4. Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is also the second largest shareholder of News Corporation, which owns the New York Post and Fox News Network.

5. Therefore, making the exact same connections that both the NY Post and Fox News have attempted to do concerning Hamas and the "Ground Zero Mosque", then one could also, without effort, make the same connections concerning Hamas and News Corporation (the NY Post and Fox News).

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