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Reply #165 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 11:58pm
 
Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 11:31pm:
Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 11:06pm:
Ground Zero Supremacist Imam Rauf Threatens America: “If we don’t do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world,” If we don’t handle this crisis correctly, it could become something very dangerous indeed.” GZM is a “national security issue”

Fresh off his US taxpayer funded [fund raising] tour of the Middle East, Imam Rauf held command over the mainstream media. He rolled out with his unchallenged oped piece in this morning’s NY Times (“We are proceeding with the community center, Cordoba House.” ) and followed it up with his not so veiled against America threats on Larry King.  Soledad O’Brien did the interview on King’s moribund show. You remember Soledad, she called demagogue racebaiter Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s speech a “homerun”. Rauf was given free run of the joint on the Crescent NewsNetwork tonight.
Rauf said more than once that the issue about what to do with the mosque  is important for national security. Imam Bridge Builder warns us numerous times that the 15 story Islamic supremacist mega mosque at Ground Zero is now a “national security issue.”
“If we don’t do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world,” Rauf said. “… If we don’t handle this crisis correctly, it could become something very dangerous indeed.”

This crisis could become much bigger than the Danish Cartoon crisis shich resutled in attack on Danish embassies in various parts of the Muslim world [and hundreds of non-Muslims were slaughtered]
He said moving the project to another location would strengthen Islamist radicals’ ability to recruit followers and will increase violence against Americans.
Rauf’s contempt for us oozes from his every enlarged pore.
This is based on the false assumption that they are fighting us because we are doing things they don’t like. Actually they are fighting us because of imperatives within the Islamic faith. They will never like us unless we convert to Islam or submit to Islamic rule. If we stop doing things they dislike, where will we draw the line? How far will Sharia advance in the U.S., with Americans afraid to stop its advance for fear of offending Muslims and stirring them up to violence? The Muslim Students Association is already pushing for halal cafeterias, segregated dorms, segregated gym facilities on campus. This is incompatible with American freedom. Where do we draw the line? And when did America decide to surrender in installments? Has America so “fundamentally changed” that we cave to jihadist bullies or threats made Peter Lorre-ish imams with delusions of caliphs on the Hudson?


I've read some serious rubbish over the past few months. That just about tops it all.

You didn't actually watch the interview, did you. He didn't "threaten America". He highlighted the risks that have unfortunately come with the radical hijacking of this issue - and the ensuing rhetoric.

You "may have read some serious rubbish over the past few months and you sure as hell write it too.

You really are arrogant & rude

You questioning Larry King too ? Are you?
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Reply #166 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 12:01am
 
Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 11:58pm:
You "may have read some serious rubbish over the past few months and you sure as hell write it too.

You really are arrogant & rude

You questioning Larry King too ? Are you?


He wasn't interviewed by Larry King. Ouch, huh.

And I more or less stated what was said in the interview with CNN - as opposed to posting some rant from an aggro blogger (with too much sand in his 'gynie it would appear).
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Reply #167 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 6:40am
 
Cockney Troll you can't get anything right side up can you?

"Imam" Rauf is no "Islamic supremacist", he's an employee of the U.S government, and a member of many of the leading U.S/Western think-tanks and other globalist organisations.

In fact last I heard, he was doing a tour of the Middle East on behalf of the U.S state department, bolstering support for the U.S in the region. Never mind these _facts_ though, as you never do.
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Reply #168 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 7:49am
 
Latest news, Koran burning called off, S**t, I was looking forward to it.
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Reply #169 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 7:50am
 
Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 12:01am:
Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 11:58pm:
You "may have read some serious rubbish over the past few months and you sure as hell write it too.

You really are arrogant & rude

You questioning Larry King too ? Are you?


He wasn't interviewed by Larry King. Ouch, huh.

And I more or less stated what was said in the interview with CNN - as opposed to posting some rant from an aggro blogger (with too much sand in his 'gynie it would appear).

CNN...Larry KIng !!!

Who cares......according to all I read there is a big question mark over his head.
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Reply #170 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 8:18am
 
pope urban 2 wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 7:49am:
Latest news, Koran burning called off, S**t, I was looking forward to it.



That's good, because it would have shown they were just as bad as them
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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #171 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 8:31am
 
""Imam" Rauf is no "Islamic supremacist", he's an employee of the U.S government, and a member of many of the leading U.S/Western think-tanks and other globalist organisations."


Oh dear !!!
http://www.newyorkpost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/more_mosque_revelations_yMt...




o now it transpires that a key money- man behind the proposed Ground Zero mosque is a one-time supporter of a group shut down by the feds because it was a front for Hamas.

No wonder the mosque's principal imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, refuses to discuss the project's finances.

Or, for that matter, refuses to speak harshly of Hamas -- an Iranian cat's-paw that's long been one of the deadliest Islamist terrorist organizations operating in the Mideast.

It was reported last night that Hisham Elzanaty -- an Egyptian-born businessman from Long Island -- provided a big chunk of the $4.8 million needed to buy the building that will be demolished to make way for the mosque.
Feisal Abdul Rauf
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Feisal Abdul Rauf

Among other things, Elzanaty runs a Bronx-based medicial supply company that had to refund more than $300,000 in Medicaid payments in 2004-2005.

In 1999, he donated thousands to the Holy Land Foundation, later shuttered by the feds because of its Hamas ties.

All of this is, as they say, enough to give one pause.

But we doubt it will truly surprise any among the 71 percent of New Yorkers found this week by Quinnipiac University pollsters to oppose the mosque.

Mayor Mike and others think they are bigots, but most seem to have asked -- and answered to their own satisfaction -- a fair question:

How close to the scene of that deadly Islamist attack on America is too close to build a mosque?

Answer: The proposed site was close enough to have been hit by a landing-gear assembly from one of the crashed airliners on 9/11 -- and that's way too close.

They're also nervous about the project's backers -- even before Elzanaty popped up -- deciding that, with those folks involved, anywhere might be too close.

As The Post reported yesterday, Rauf has been catching iffy tax breaks since 1998 for an organization run from his wife's Upper West Side apartment.

How'd he do it? By telling the IRS the one-bedroom digs were actually a mosque where 500 people prayed daily.

These are only the latest revelations about the mosque's backers, who've run up a cumulative record of petty crime, slumlording and tax-scamming.

And that's being generous.

Rauf, who's due back in New York this weekend after a long trip abroad, has plenty of explaining to do to the people he's been thumbing in the eye for weeks.

First there is Elzanaty's role, of course.

Then there's the elephant in the room: Whence the $100 million needed for the mosque?

And then there is this.

At a forum in Dubai on Tuesday, Rauf appeared to call the 71 percent of New Yorkers who oppose his project religious "extremists."

"The battlefront . . . is not between Muslims and non-Muslims," he said. "It is between moderates [and] extremists and radicals of all faith traditions."

We'd guess 71 percent of New Yorkers would include a representative cross-section of "all faith traditions."

Are they "extremists" for opposing the mosque?

New Yorkers hardly ever agree on any thing -- but they agree it's inappropriate.

Are they "radicals?"

If Rauf thinks so, then New York ain't the town for him.

Nor is there room for his mosque at Ground Zero.


Read more: http://www.newyorkpost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/more_mosque_revelations_yMtNnRzphiKKAGJQAksoQN#ixzz0z4fOT72t
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Reply #172 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 1:45pm
 
Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 8:31am:
now it transpires that a key money - man behind the proposed Ground Zero mosque is a one-time supporter of a group shut down by the feds because it was a front for Hamas.


We've already discussed this Cockney.

You (or the New York Post's editor) have made a tenuous link which really doesn't 'prove' anything. It's a classic case of 'guilt by association', the logic behind which would also see Fox News (another source you used concerning this story) have links to Hamas.

It's stupidity.

Oh, and getting news from the New York Post . . . Bravo.
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Reply #173 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 1:51pm
 
Has shirl finally switched to ozpolitic?
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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #174 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 2:08pm
 
Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 1:45pm:
Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 8:31am:
now it transpires that a key money - man behind the proposed Ground Zero mosque is a one-time supporter of a group shut down by the feds because it was a front for Hamas.


We've already discussed this Cockney.

You (or the New York Post's editor) have made a tenuous link which really doesn't 'prove' anything. It's a classic case of 'guilt by association', the logic behind which would also see Fox News (another source you used concerning this story) have links to Hamas.

It's stupidity.

Oh, and getting news from the New York Post . . . Bravo.

You take issue with the NY Post?
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Re: Ground Zero mosque defies logic
Reply #175 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 2:54pm
 
Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 2:08pm:
Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 1:45pm:
Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 8:31am:
now it transpires that a key money - man behind the proposed Ground Zero mosque is a one-time supporter of a group shut down by the feds because it was a front for Hamas.


We've already discussed this Cockney.

You (or the New York Post's editor) have made a tenuous link which really doesn't 'prove' anything. It's a classic case of 'guilt by association', the logic behind which would also see Fox News (another source you used concerning this story) have links to Hamas.

It's stupidity.

Oh, and getting news from the New York Post . . . Bravo.

You take issue with the NY Post?


Well yes. It's a tabloid, and should be treated as such.

Incidentally, I forgot that the New York Post is also owned by News Corporation (who owns the Fox News Network).

Therefore, using your logic (and theirs), the New York Post has ties to Hamas.

See what I mean, it's stupidity.
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Reply #176 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 2:56pm
 
darkhall67 wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 1:51pm:
Has shirl finally switched to ozpolitic?


Heh. Don't know, but it feels like something might be missing...

How have you been?
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Reply #177 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 3:08pm
 
Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 2:56pm:
darkhall67 wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 1:51pm:
Has shirl finally switched to ozpolitic?


Heh. Don't know, but it feels like something might be missing...

How have you been?



Busy doing nothing.

Enjoyed a long stint away from messageboards during my summer holidays but now an back at work with oodles of time on my hands and I feel I'm getting  back sucked in again.


Yourself?
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Reply #178 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 3:10pm
 
I was sorta hinting that cockney might be our esteemed colleague from yahoo.


I might be wrong but a lot of the thought processes and information sourcing are similar.
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Reply #179 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 3:15pm
 
Her calling you "rude and arrogant" is a pretty big tell too.
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