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Reply #150 - Aug 31st, 2010 at 7:11pm
 
LOL. Dear Poop, I ain't Slavic and I ain't Moslem.

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I'm just an Oceanian who enjoys his occasional Diving amongst other things.

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Reply #151 - Sep 1st, 2010 at 6:49pm
 
Sound like a doley jas, guess you are a true aussie, the dole and the beach, cant get any better than that.  Wink
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Reply #152 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 11:02am
 
Have been on the dole in my younger, naive days. But luckily it wasn't for long. Since then I've paid my own way - even if it meant doing some job that is considered 'gay' for a male to do and cleaning poo from peoples arses at the cost of a bad back and apprentice-like pay. Nah, I don't think I'm a Doley. Huh
If I remember rightly, when I was on the Dole: I could barely afford a loaf of bread and a bottle of milk ...I even had to jump backyards and raid the compost heaps/bins for food. No, I don't think I would wish the Dole upon anyone.
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Reply #153 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 11:54pm
 
Cockney Troll,

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I don't intend on answering too much, as my typing is slow and I don't have the time.


What you actually meant to say was "He's exposing my bovine faeces for what it is, so I'd better not open my mouth too much more here, lest I come off like a complete buffoon"

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I never said that the land where Israel now sits was empty [those are your words] However it was  VERY sparsely inhabited.


Compared to what? Compared to other Middle Eastern regions at the time it was not sparsely populated at all. This is nothing but Zionist revisionist garbage. And even if it were, that doesn't make it a magnet for land grabbing squatters to come and swipe other peoples' land. One could also argue Australia is sparsely populated today, so illegals coming here to turn it into their own are quite within their rights... right? Is this is the kind of crap you hope to peddle?

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"By the end of 1947, Palestine Mandate government estimates indicate that of a total population of 1.9 million" ( the Mandate was 118,000 sq klms, of which 77% went to Jordan)


As has already been pointed out enough times, this nonsense about Jordan being part of the mandate of Palestine is just that, nonsense. Jordan was technically lumped with the BMP for about a year in 1922 (although administered completely separate anyway), the idea that in 1947 Jordan was carved out of the BMP for the Arabs is completely unhistorical. Show us a single map (from the time, not those fantasy revisionist maps drawn up about 10 years ago and posted all over wikipedia) that shows the BMP as consisting of Jordan and Palestine. All British maps from the time show only Palestine as part of the BMP and Jordan being completely separate. But if you think you've got evidence, please feel free to present it. Otherwise quit while you're ahead and shut your mouth.

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Firstly Mark Twain made a strong point of it. So read his book.


A single American traveler who saw a tiny fraction of Palestine is taken as though he was some sort of land surveying and demographic expert. This is one of the weakest Zionist revisionist arguments that's ever been sorry enough to be shown the light of day.

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The majority of Arabs in the Gaza Strip where those and their descendants, who were thrown out of Jordan...


Perhaps you'd like to provide a bit of evidence for that one? I know quite a lot of people from Gaza, and most of them have never even been to Jordan, and many of them can trace their family history there back to the time of the early Muslims (ie. about 1400 years ago).

Don't hurry though, like the rest of your wild assertions, don't feel any pressure to actually back it up with evidence.

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Why are you Arabs so all consumed over a tiny country with a population of just
7 ½ million, which occupies 1/8th of 1% of the ME??  Maybe it’s the achievements that such a small group of people have reached.? 


Prior to the Zionists invading and saturating the population of their country, Palestinians couldn't have given two hoots about you. I don't remember too many Palestinians traveling to Poland or England or Russia or U.S in the early 20th. century and blowing Jews up. But when you steal another people's country, they tend to get a little peeved, funny that... isn't it? I can't for the life of me understand why....
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Reply #154 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 2:50pm
 
Pak Minister wants Obama to be ''leader of all Muslims''
http://news.in.msn.com/international/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4337606
Islamabad, Sep 2 (PTI) A Pakistani minister wants US President Barack Obama to offer Eid prayers at Ground Zero in New York and become the "Amir-ul-Momineen" or Caliph of Muslims.

Minister of State for Industries Ayatullah Durrani, who belongs to the ruling Pakistan People''s Party, said the upcoming Eid-ul-Fitr festival, expected to be observed on September 11, would be a "golden opportunity" for Obama to offer Eid prayers and declare himself the leader of all Muslims.

"In this way, all the problems of the Muslim world would be solved," Durrani told The Nation newspaper.

Durrani, a former member of the Pakistan Ideological Council, contended that the Muslim world is in "dire need" of a Caliph and occupying this distinguished slot would provide Obama "exemplary titles" like "Mullah Barack Hussain Obama" or "Allama Obama".

He said: "The time is approaching fast. Barack Hussain Obama must act now. This is a golden opportunity, Muslims badly need it."
Obama''s elevation to the Islamic Caliphate would be the "key to success, he claimed but did not offer any explanation for his remarks.
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Reply #155 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 4:08pm
 
We all knew as much didn't we Soren?






As for abu_rashid  you are a real twerp mister, who has no idea what he is talking about . I ( and others) have your measure.  You have shown your ignorance in more ways than one and if you believe your so-called friend can trace his/her ancestry back as far as you/they claim, you are thicker than I thought. Records of births, deaths and marriages don't go back that far.

All you can do is insult and copy from web sites.

By the way.....I can tell you for a fact that Palestine was VERY sparsely populated at the turn of the 20th century.

How do I know?

My family were there, that's how I know.
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Reply #156 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 5:07pm
 
     




Between the lines



By Joseph Farah

When Mark Twain visited the Holy Land in the 19th century, he was greatly disappointed. He didn't see any people. He referred to it as a vast wasteland. The land we now know as Israel was practically deserted.

By the beginning of the 20th century, that began to change. Jews from all over the world began to return to their ancestral homeland – the Promised Land Moses and Joshua had conquered millennia earlier, Christians and Jews believe, on the direct orders of God.

That's not to say there wasn't always a strong Jewish presence in the land – particularly in and around Jerusalem. In 1854, according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews constituted two-thirds of the population of that holy city. The source for that statistic? A journalist on assignment in the Middle East that year for the Tribune. His name was Karl Marx. Yes, that Karl Marx.

A travel guide to Palestine and Syria, published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker, illustrates the fact that, even when the Islamic Ottoman Empire ruled the region, the Muslim population in Jerusalem was minimal. The book estimates the total population of the city at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews.

"The number of Jews has greatly risen in the last few decades, in spite of the fact that they are forbidden to immigrate or to possess landed property," the book states.

Even though the Jews were persecuted, still they came to Jerusalem and represented the overwhelming majority of the population as early as 1906. And even though Muslims today claim Jerusalem as the third holiest site in Islam, when the city was under Islamic rule, they had little interest in it.

As the Jews came, drained the swamps and made the deserts bloom, something interesting began to happen. Arabs followed. I don't blame them. They had good reason to come. They came for jobs. They came for prosperity. They came for freedom. And they came in large numbers.

Winston Churchill observed in 1939: "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."

Then came 1948 and the great partition. The United Nations proposed the creation of two states in the region – one Jewish, one Arab. The Jews accepted it gratefully. The Arabs rejected it with a vengeance and declared war.

Arab leaders urged Arabs to leave the area so they would not be caught in the crossfire. They could return to their homes, they were told, after Israel was crushed and the Jews destroyed. It didn't work out that way. By most counts, several hundred thousand Arabs were displaced by this war – not by Israeli aggression, not by some Jewish real-estate grab, not by Israeli expansionism.

In fact, there are many historical records showing the Jews urged the Arabs to stay and live with them in peace. But, tragically, they chose to leave.

Fifty-four years later, the sons and daughters and grandsons and granddaughters of those refugees are all-too-often still living in refugee camps – not because of Israeli intransigence, but because they are misused as a political tool of the Arab powers.

Those poor unfortunates could be settled in a week by the rich Arab oil states that control 99.9 percent of the Middle East landmass, but they are kept as virtual prisoners, filled with misplaced hatred for Jews and armed as suicide martyrs by the Arab power brokers.

This is the modern real history of the Arab-Israeli conflict. At no time did the Jews uproot Arab families from their homes. When there were title deeds to be purchased, they bought them at inflated prices. When there were not, they worked the land so they could have a place to live without the persecution they faced throughout the world.

It's a great big lie that the Israelis displaced anyone – one of a series of lies and myths that have the world on the verge of committing yet another great injustice to the Jews.

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Reply #157 - Sep 5th, 2010 at 10:38pm
 
Latest News.....just in

Ground Zero mosque backer has ties to Hamas

Egyptian-born businessman Hisham Elzanaty, reportedly one of the largest financial contributors to the Ground Zero mosque project on the ruins of New York's World Trade Center, was revealed at the weekend to have past ties to Palestinian terror group Hamas.

According to Fox News, in 1999, Elzanaty donated more than $6,000 to the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF).

Two years later, a federal court shut down the HLF and designated it as a terror-supporting entity. In 2008, five former HLF officials were indicted for actively aiding Hamas terrorist activity against Israel.
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Reply #158 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 1:37am
 
Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 10:38pm:
Latest News.....just in

Ground Zero mosque backer has ties to Hamas

Egyptian-born businessman Hisham Elzanaty, reportedly one of the largest financial contributors to the Ground Zero mosque project on the ruins of New York's World Trade Center, was revealed at the weekend to have past ties to Palestinian terror group Hamas.

According to Fox News, in 1999, Elzanaty donated more than $6,000 to the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF).

Two years later, a federal court shut down the HLF and designated it as a terror-supporting entity. In 2008, five former HLF officials were indicted for actively aiding Hamas terrorist activity against Israel.


Come on Cockney Doll, that's a pretty tenuous link.

HLF was the biggest Islamic Charity in the United States for a long time, and had a long list of contributors. Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, donated to the Council on American-Islamic Relations (an organisation directly linked with HLF which also had charges brought against it).

Al-Waleed bin Talal is News Corporation's (owners of Fox News as you already know) second largest shareholder.

Which, by your logic (i.e. Fox New's logic) would suggest that News Corp and Fox News have ties to Hamas.

See the problem there.

And it's not really 'the latest news... Just in'.

It's rather old actually.
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Reply #159 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 7:40am
 
Complain to Google
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Reply #160 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:43am
 
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Wake up to yourself, and learn to think beyond google.
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Reply #161 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:51am
 
Speak for yourself moron..........................who copies from web sites and claims them as his/her  own
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Reply #162 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:00am
 
Australian greatest intellectual dissident about September 11and and World Trade Centre.

"He is happy that what he calls that "great ugly scaleless box of a thing" no longer disfigures the New York skyline".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/the-wrath-of-hughes/story-e6frg6z6...


FROM the windows of the Manhattan loft he has inhabited for more than 20 years, Robert Hughes, Australia's most opinionated aesthete, looked out last week at the patch of sky where the World Trade Centre used to stand.

Hughes was looking out of this window on September 11, 2001, when a hijacked aircraft flew low over his SoHo building and crashed into one of the towers.

"There were a couple of BBC producers standing with their backs to the window; we were talking about a possible film on Goya," Hughes recalled last week. "One of them said to me, 'Bob, you've got a very strange expression on your face."'

Five years later, the rest of New York continues to wallow in pained debate about how the victims of the attacks should be memorialised and what kind of buildings should be erected next to the void at ground zero. Not Hughes, though.

He is happy that what he calls that "great ugly scaleless box of a thing" no longer disfigures the New York skyline.

"deeply discombobulating". The post-9/11 view from his window was like "looking into a familiar face with a piece bashed out by some maniac with a baseball bat, which of course was the case". "But do I miss it aesthetically? Obviously not."

This was fighting talk from a New York resident on the day most of the city was weepily observing the fifth anniversary of the worst terrorist attack on the US. Yet Hughes has made a career out of the unflinching honesty of his opinions, as several prominent British artists know to their cost. As the vastly influential art critic for Time magazine for more than 30 years, Hughes was never much impressed with Brit Art celebrities such as Damien Hirst and Tracey Emin, and he is not about to change his mind now he is ageing and injured.

Nor is he in any hurry to make peace with his biggest critics, his fellow Australians, some of whom seem to regard him as a traitorous exile devoted to pissing venom on his homeland. Further aggro may well follow the publication of Things I Didn't Know, the first volume of Hughes's memoirs.

The book opens with an embittered account of the head-on car crash that nearly claimed his life on a remote road in Western Australia in 1999. After a long legal wrangle over who had caused the crash, Hughes was eventually fined $2500 and banned from driving in the state for three years.

Hughes, now 68, still walks with a severe limp and is in near-constant pain from the injuries he suffered. He has not forgiven the Australian reporters who condemned his behaviour during his trial.

At one point, he incautiously described the occupants of the oncoming car as "low-life scum" and was then alleged to have described a prosecutor of Indian ancestry as a "curry-muncher" (a charge he has always denied). The media depicted him as an elitist bully; he accused them of making it all up.

On learning that Hughes would be returning to Australia in November to promote his memoirs, The Australian's Strewth column summed up the relationship thus: "He thinks we are an uncultured and ungrateful bunch of yobs ("Bullshit!" interjects Hughes, when I read him this passage); we think he's a grumpy old bugger who should get over it." "Well, I am a grumpy old bugger, but I don't see any need to get over it," snaps Hughes as he hobbles barefoot around his kitchen, making coffee.

It may seem odd that so distinguished an Australian intellectual, so admired by much of the English-speaking world, should be regarded with such reserve by his countrymen. Yet Hughes believes he is not alone in suffering from what he calls "the strange cluster of fantasies that cling to the word 'expatriate' in Australia". "There are at present north of 70,000 Australians living and earning their keep abroad," he says. "As far as the Australian media is concerned (he pronounces it 'meejah' with a contemptuous flourish), there are only four expats, and these are Germaine (Greer), Barry (Humphries), Clive (James) and Bob (Hughes)." According to Hughes, the Australian media has concluded that "we four form a sort of cabal whose purpose is to denigrate Australia and piss on its fair name. It's total rubbish."

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Ground Zero Supremacist Imam Rauf Threatens America: “If we don’t do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world,” If we don’t handle this crisis correctly, it could become something very dangerous indeed.” GZM is a “national security issue”

Fresh off his US taxpayer funded [fund raising] tour of the Middle East, Imam Rauf held command over the mainstream media. He rolled out with his unchallenged oped piece in this morning’s NY Times (“We are proceeding with the community center, Cordoba House.” ) and followed it up with his not so veiled against America threats on Larry King.  Soledad O’Brien did the interview on King’s moribund show. You remember Soledad, she called demagogue racebaiter Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s speech a “homerun”. Rauf was given free run of the joint on the Crescent NewsNetwork tonight.
Rauf said more than once that the issue about what to do with the mosque  is important for national security. Imam Bridge Builder warns us numerous times that the 15 story Islamic supremacist mega mosque at Ground Zero is now a “national security issue.”
“If we don’t do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world,” Rauf said. “… If we don’t handle this crisis correctly, it could become something very dangerous indeed.”

This crisis could become much bigger than the Danish Cartoon crisis shich resutled in attack on Danish embassies in various parts of the Muslim world [and hundreds of non-Muslims were slaughtered]
He said moving the project to another location would strengthen Islamist radicals’ ability to recruit followers and will increase violence against Americans.
Rauf’s contempt for us oozes from his every enlarged pore.
This is based on the false assumption that they are fighting us because we are doing things they don’t like. Actually they are fighting us because of imperatives within the Islamic faith. They will never like us unless we convert to Islam or submit to Islamic rule. If we stop doing things they dislike, where will we draw the line? How far will Sharia advance in the U.S., with Americans afraid to stop its advance for fear of offending Muslims and stirring them up to violence? The Muslim Students Association is already pushing for halal cafeterias, segregated dorms, segregated gym facilities on campus. This is incompatible with American freedom. Where do we draw the line? And when did America decide to surrender in installments? Has America so “fundamentally changed” that we cave to jihadist bullies or threats made Peter Lorre-ish imams with delusions of caliphs on the Hudson?
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Reply #164 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 11:31pm
 
Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 11:06pm:
Ground Zero Supremacist Imam Rauf Threatens America: “If we don’t do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world,” If we don’t handle this crisis correctly, it could become something very dangerous indeed.” GZM is a “national security issue”

Fresh off his US taxpayer funded [fund raising] tour of the Middle East, Imam Rauf held command over the mainstream media. He rolled out with his unchallenged oped piece in this morning’s NY Times (“We are proceeding with the community center, Cordoba House.” ) and followed it up with his not so veiled against America threats on Larry King.  Soledad O’Brien did the interview on King’s moribund show. You remember Soledad, she called demagogue racebaiter Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s speech a “homerun”. Rauf was given free run of the joint on the Crescent NewsNetwork tonight.
Rauf said more than once that the issue about what to do with the mosque  is important for national security. Imam Bridge Builder warns us numerous times that the 15 story Islamic supremacist mega mosque at Ground Zero is now a “national security issue.”
“If we don’t do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world,” Rauf said. “… If we don’t handle this crisis correctly, it could become something very dangerous indeed.”

This crisis could become much bigger than the Danish Cartoon crisis shich resutled in attack on Danish embassies in various parts of the Muslim world [and hundreds of non-Muslims were slaughtered]
He said moving the project to another location would strengthen Islamist radicals’ ability to recruit followers and will increase violence against Americans.
Rauf’s contempt for us oozes from his every enlarged pore.
This is based on the false assumption that they are fighting us because we are doing things they don’t like. Actually they are fighting us because of imperatives within the Islamic faith. They will never like us unless we convert to Islam or submit to Islamic rule. If we stop doing things they dislike, where will we draw the line? How far will Sharia advance in the U.S., with Americans afraid to stop its advance for fear of offending Muslims and stirring them up to violence? The Muslim Students Association is already pushing for halal cafeterias, segregated dorms, segregated gym facilities on campus. This is incompatible with American freedom. Where do we draw the line? And when did America decide to surrender in installments? Has America so “fundamentally changed” that we cave to jihadist bullies or threats made Peter Lorre-ish imams with delusions of caliphs on the Hudson?


I've read some serious rubbish over the past few months. That just about tops it all.

You didn't actually watch the interview, did you. He didn't "threaten America". He highlighted the risks that have unfortunately come with the radical hijacking of this issue - and the ensuing rhetoric.
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