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Reply #105 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 10:18pm
 
From where???

From their land!

There are today over 4 and a half MILLION Palestinian refugees.

Contrary to your delusions they don't live in refugee camps because it's more interesting way of life, they do so because their land was confiscated from them and given to another people.

When will you maggots understand that you can't do this... you can't just take a people's country from them like that, and think you will not suffer the consequences. 9/11 etc. are just the beginning of the rebound effect of this grave injustice, which is just going to grow and grow and grow.

The smug attitude is going to be blown away with some pretty stark realities in the near future.

When you wanna smugly deny what has been done to them, remind yourself by the consequences that await, and ponder whether or not it's worth it.
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Reply #106 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 10:20pm
 
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Where on earth do you come up with "America liquidating 1 million or so Iraqi kids" from?


Madeline Albright, Sec. of State at the time, admitting openly to it, and even commented "It was worth it".
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Reply #107 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 10:29pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 27th, 2010 at 10:18pm:
When will you maggots understand that you can't do this... you can't just take a people's country from them like that, and think you will not suffer the consequences.


Oh, this is very un-Islamic: attributing just cause and effect. Tsk, tsk. Haram stuff. As you know, it's all Allah's will and just deserts does not come into it.

See? Even you do not actually believe all that rot about everything being controlled by Allah. otherwise you wouldn't bang on about consequences. In Islam, there are NO consequences, only Allah is in control of every hair on every head, every second of every day. You speak and live in bad faith, pseudo-moor, bad faith.


But if you insist, well, take the muslim suffering over the last few hundred years as the consequences of Islamic conquests of other peoples lands, Islamic raids, enslavement - in short, jihad.

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Reply #108 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 12:27am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 27th, 2010 at 10:18pm:
From where???

From their land!



Contrary to your delusions they don't live in refugee camps because it's more interesting way of life, they do so because their land was confiscated from them and given to another people.

When will you maggots understand that you can't do this... you can't just take a people's country from them like that, and think you will not suffer the consequences. 9/11 etc. are just the beginning of the rebound effect of this grave injustice, which is just going to grow and grow and grow.

The smug attitude is going to be blown away with some pretty stark realities in the near future.

When you wanna smugly deny what has been done to them, remind yourself by the consequences that await, and ponder whether or not it's worth it.

Oh boy......now we see who you are.......typical.  My ex-Muslim friends left the so-called religion, because of the indoctrination of hate and lies,  which you exhibit openly.

They are on their land twerp...sort of seeing they are in Palestine, but they came from the Jordan part of Palestine.

Ever heard of the Black September movement?

I guess not.  They were kicked out of Jordan for being trouble makers

Why aren't they taken in by their own?

I'll tell you why, they aren't wanted by anyone, they are treated as scum and troublemakers which they are , if you are referring to the Gazan Arabs.

Israel took her own when they were thrown out of Arab/Muslim countries, after being forced at gun point to sign everything over to the country they were being kicked out of.

Between 800,000-1,000,000 Jews were expelled or left their homes in Arab countries due to persecution and anti-Semitism

Those that left Eretz Yisroel left at the urging of their own leaders, with the promise that the Jews would be annihilated and they could then return.

Fatah chief Mahmoud Abbas says the Arabs of the Galilee city of Tzfat left in 1948 not because they were driven out, but on their own volition.

Many biographies of Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas imply that his family became “refugees” because of the War of Independence in 1948. For instance, a BBC profile on Abbas when he succeeded Yasser Arafat as PLO chairman in 2005 writes, “In the light of his origins in Safed in Galilee - in what is now northern Israel - he is said to hold strong views about the right of return of Palestinian refugees.” Answers.com states, “As a result of the Arab-Israel War of 1948, he became a refugee.” Wikipedia articles on the topic say the same – all giving the impression that the Abbas family was driven out and became homeless.

However, Abbas himself – co-founder of Fatah with Arafat, and known as Abu Mazen - now tells a different story. Speaking with Al-Palestinia TV on Monday, Abbas admitted that his family was not expelled or driven out, but rather left for fear that the Jews might take revenge for the slaughter of 20 Jews in the city during the Arab pogroms of 19 years earlier.

In the words of Abbas:

“I am among those who were born in the city of Tzfat (Safed). We were a family of means. I studied in elementary school, and then came the naqba [calamity, namely, the founding of the State of Israel – ed.]. At night, we left by foot from Tzfat, to the Jordan River, where we remained for a month. Then we went to Damascus, and then to our relatives in Jordan, and then we settled in Damascus.

“My father had money, and he spent his money systematically, and after a year, the money ran out and we began to work.

“The people’s basic motives brought them to run away for their lives and with their property. These [motives] were very important, for they feared the violence of the Zionist terrorist organizations – and especially those of us from Tzfat felt that there was an old desire for revenge from the rebellion of 1929, and this was in the memory of our families and parents.”

The “rebellion” Abbas referred to was a series of brutal Arab attacks on Jewish towns in the summer of 1929. Nearly 70 Jews were slaughtered in their homes in Hevron, 20 in Tzfat, 17 in Jerusalem, and others were murdered in Motza, Kfar Uriah and Tel Aviv.

The memory of the slaughter, Abbas said, “brought [our families] to understand that the military balance had changed, and that [we] no longer had military forces in their real meaning. There were only young people who fought, and there was an initial action. They felt that the balance of power had collapsed and they therefore decided to leave. The entire city was abandoned based on this thought – the thought of their property and saving themselves.”

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It is notable that the Abbas family moved back to Damascus, as that is likely the place where it had originated less than 90 years earlier. Joan Peters, in her scholarly work “From Time Immemorial” on the Arab population of Israel, writes that in 1860, “Algerian tribes moved from Damascus en masse to Safed.” She notes that the Muslims in the city were mostly descended from Moorish settlers and from Kurds – more evidence negating the claim that the Arabs in the Land of Israel had been there “from time immemorial.”
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Reply #109 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 12:35am
 
I might add too abu_rashid that the so-called refugee camps are not what you envisage. They are houses.

Have a look at what has been in the news this past week about the deplorable plight of so-called Palestinians in Lebanon
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Reply #110 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 1:16am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 27th, 2010 at 10:18pm:
When you wanna smugly deny what has been done to them, remind yourself by the consequences that await, and ponder whether or not it's worth it.


Effende, Gud shall give the consequence in the life that awaits. There is much torment awaiting those who kills Gad's creature.
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Reply #111 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 1:24am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 27th, 2010 at 10:18pm:
When you wanna smugly deny what has been done to them, remind yourself by the consequences that await, and ponder whether or not it's worth it.


But those who kill those who kills Gad's creature shall be saved.

Gad is like Amerika. He has his favourites, insh'allah.

All is the will of Gud.
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Reply #112 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 9:57am
 
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ou are referring to the Gazan Arabs.

Israel took her own when they were thrown out of Arab/Muslim countries, after being forced at gun point to sign everything over to the country they were being kicked out of.

Between 800,000-1,000,000 Jews were expelled or left their homes in Arab countries due to persecution and anti-Semitism

Those that left Eretz Yisroel left at the urging of their own leaders, with the promise that the Jews would be annihilated and they could then return.


One little problem with this ridiculous propaganda, the expulsion of the Palestinians from their lands PRECEDED the counter-expulsion of Jews by about 5-10 years in most cases. Not a single Jew was expelled from any Arab land until AFTER the Jews had overrun Palestine.

Never mind that little thing we call history though, make up your nice little stories as you go along... it's par for the course on your side.
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Reply #113 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 10:30am
 
One of the current problems in the Middle East and South/ Central Asia is the borders the Allies drew up post WW 2 and the corrupt and brutal dictators they installed so they still had access to the resources  there.
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Reply #114 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 10:35am
 
If the western world is so upset by the Muslim community centre and Mosque being build a few blocks from ground zero then they should also be up in arms if the Catholics try and build churches in any of the countries brutalised by the Inquisition and also ban Catholics building churches any where near child care centres, playgrounds, schools etc  Smiley
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Reply #115 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 1:53pm
 
But Catholics dont have a diverse variety of terrorists organisations all devoted to some firebrand teaching, except for the IRA which are not even that active today,

Catholics didnt issue a fatwa against Madonna when she mocked Christianity in her music videos.

But when someone like Salmain Rushdie writes an opinion about Islam in a book, or a danish cartoonist mocks the Muhamend in his drawings, and the whole muslim world goes up in arms like **** has hit the fan, it proves that THIS RELIGION DOES HAVE PROBLEMS. PERIOD
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Reply #116 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 2:25pm
 
I'm with Rahid on this, the Palestinian situation is  like David throwing stones at the Israel Goliath who wants Holy 'Land' as well as a Holy 'City' - funny, I thought Islam was Land based, especially in comparison to the very City based Israel religion. One word I guess : Greed.
The difference with Palestinians compared to every other form of Islam or Mohommedism is that it is stripped bare of all empowerment, it is almost as if Palestine were just a nation of women and their children just trying to 'exist' in the world. Palestine has no power, the kids are throwing stones at heavily armed and empowered Israelis.
I guess this is because all of Islam is gonna throw its last empowerment against the French (& Europe ...except the Balkans - where they get badly bitten) and has nothing in the tank against the Israelis.

Oh well, in time, Islam and Israel will UNITE ...like tears in rain.

and God help those Italians when they do.

after that,

The End (finally)

until the Samericans enter the Middle-East to shoot any 'Religious' person with a Military weapon (Don't bugger with the Green Lizard people Brown boy!)
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Reply #117 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 2:39pm
 
Oh really, so what should we do, get together and try to remove the Jewish population who WILL not leave this land whats so ever. ???
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Reply #118 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 2:42pm
 
Oh well, in time, Islam and Israel will UNITE ...like tears in rain.

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Like your optimism. Jas

But given the nature of radical Islam which DOES have an audience in the muslim world, I DOUBT it will happen within our lifetime.
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Reply #119 - Aug 28th, 2010 at 2:58pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 28th, 2010 at 9:57am:
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ou are referring to the Gazan Arabs.

Israel took her own when they were thrown out of Arab/Muslim countries, after being forced at gun point to sign everything over to the country they were being kicked out of.

Between 800,000-1,000,000 Jews were expelled or left their homes in Arab countries due to persecution and anti-Semitism

Those that left Eretz Yisroel left at the urging of their own leaders, with the promise that the Jews would be annihilated and they could then return.


One little problem with this ridiculous propaganda, the expulsion of the Palestinians from their lands PRECEDED the counter-expulsion of Jews by about 5-10 years in most cases. Not a single Jew was expelled from any Arab land until AFTER the Jews had overrun Palestine.

Never mind that little thing we call history though, make up your nice little stories as you go along... it's par for the course on your side.



What a pathetic thing coming from you.  True to type.


Evidence abounds that Israel did its utmost to get the Arabs to stay, whilst the Arabs left at the insistence of their leaders..they promised as soon as the Jews were slaughtered they would return triumphant.

The point is that Israel absorbed these refugees, but Arab/Muslim countries would not take them and even today they are treat as vermin. Jordan has refused to take any back and that’s where they come from in the main.

This is Lebanon today…………

Evidence abounds that Israel did its utmost to get the Arabs to stay, whilst the Arabs left at the insistence of their leaders..they promised as soon as the Jews were slaughtered they would return triumphant.

The point is that Israel absorbed these refugees, but Arab/Muslim countries would not take them and even today they are treat as vermin. Jordan has refused to take any back and that’s where they come from in the main.

This is Lebanon today…………

Palestinian refugees in Lebanon are mostly relegated to society's fringes. A history of violence, poverty and state-sanctioned discrimination combine to beget more violence and poverty. These refugees are traumatised. Theirs is a psychology of besieged dispossession – and they yearn simultaneously for home and a better life now, in Lebanon.

The new law fails to address the causes for discrimination and inequality. For instance, parliament waived work permit fees, but the process of applying for those permits remains prohibitively cumbersome. Before hiring a Palestinian, a Lebanese employer must demonstrate to the ministry of labour that a Lebanese national cannot perform the job. It's this bureaucratic hurdle that forces many unskilled Palestinian labourers to work without permits – and the new law does nothing to mitigate its effects.
Furthermore, many Palestinian professionals are prohibited from working as doctors, lawyers or engineers because the professional syndicates here disallow their participation. The government can remove all barriers to employment, but if organised labour doesn't do the same, the effect will be minimal. That's why the new law hasn't changed the status quo in meaningful ways.
Lebanon's responsibility to those residing within its borders is principally a humanitarian one. But this humanitarian imperative is accompanied by an economic opportunity: Lebanon will benefit when Palestinians can fully access the labour markets.
There are 422,000 registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon (10% of the total population). Roughly half of those live in one of the 12 recognised refugee camps (the remainder are dispersed among unofficial camps and Lebanese urban centres).

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