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Aug 10th, 2010 at 4:27pm
 
In accordance with Viktor Frankl, the founder of the third Vienna school of Psychoanalysis, there are three way of achieving the meaning in the life:

1.      By loving someone
2.      By creative work
3.      By meaningful abiding


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logotherapy

Logotherapy was developed by neurologist and psychiatrist Viktor Frankl. It is considered the "Third Viennese School of Psychotherapy"[1] after Freud's psychoanalysis and Adler's individual psychology. It is a type of existentialist analysis that focuses on a will to meaning as opposed to Adler's Nietzschean doctrine of will to power or Freud's will to pleasure. Rather than power or pleasure, logotherapy is founded upon the belief that it is the striving to find a meaning in one's life that is the primary, most powerful motivating and driving force in humans. A short introduction to this system is given in Frankl's most famous book, Man's Search for Meaning, in which he outlines how his theories helped him to survive his Holocaust experience and how that experience further developed and reinforced his theories.

The notion of Logotherapy was created with the Greek word logos  ("meaning"). Frankl’s concept is based on the premise that the primary motivational force of an individual is to find a meaning in life. The following list of tenets represents the basic principles of logotherapy:

   * Life has meaning under all circumstances, even the most miserable ones.
   * Our main motivation for living is our will to find meaning in life.
   * We have freedom to find meaning in what we do, and what we experience, or at least in the stand we take when faced with a situation of unchangeable suffering.

The human spirit is referred to in several of the assumptions of logotherapy, but the use of the term spirit is not "spiritual" or "religious". In Frankl's view, the spirit is the will of the human being. The emphasis, therefore, is on the search for meaning, which is not necessarily the search for God or any other supernaturalbeing.
Frankl also noted the barriers to humanity's quest for meaning in life. He warns against

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Reply #1 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:25am
 
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I could be wrong but my brief understanding of his theory is as follows:

Victor Frankle discovered unexpected phenomena when compared Holocaust survives and Vietnam war veterans.
The majority of Concentration camps surveyors were living normal long lives without signs of post traumas in spite of the fact that, they, as victims, experienced all sort of horrific situations.
On the other hand large number of Vietnam war veterans had relatively high percentage of post traumatic disorders, suicides and other mental problems.
Basicly Victor Frankl concluded that if the victimized person managed to find meaning in his suffering then he actually transforms from the victim to a hero and turn his tragedy in to personal triumph.
Consequently it means that in the most miserable situations in life human can withstand suffering if he finds the meaning in it.

T = S - M

T - Tragedy
S = Suffering
M = Meaning
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Reply #2 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:28am
 
"Everything can be taken from a man but one thing; the last of the human freedoms—to choose one's attitude"
Victor Frankl

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Reply #3 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:41am
 
Soren wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:28am:
"Everything can be taken from a man but one thing; the last of the human freedoms—to choose one's attitude"
Victor Frankl



Man's Search for Meaning is an incredible book. it recounts Frankl's development of logotherapy during his time in a concentration camp and it's a very powerful story. i'd recommend it to pretty much anyone, actually. i'd especially recommend it for those who are philosophically inclined or those who may be depressed or dissatisfied with their life (or as Frankl puts it, experiencing "existential suffering").
Really great man and psychologist Victor Frankl.
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Reply #4 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 11:22am
 
The meaning of life:

1. the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.
2. the sum of the distinguishing phenomena of organisms, esp. metabolism, growth, reproduction, and adaptation to environment.
3. the animate existence or period of animate existence of an individual: to risk one's life; a short life and a merry one.
4. a corresponding state, existence, or principle of existence conceived of as belonging to the soul: eternal life.
5. the general or universal condition of human existence: Too bad, but life is like that.

6. 42 (according to Douglas Adams)
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Reply #5 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 11:21am
 
the meaning of life is manifesting thought
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Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 2:37pm
 
I'm sure it's 42...
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Reply #7 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 7:48am
 
The comparison between holocaust survivors and vietnam vets is interesting, and I think it could be pretty easily summed up as being attributable to guilt, and innocence.

The Viet vets know on some level, that what they were involved in was wrong, stupid, and dirty, and if they fail to associate the blame for their involvement with evil and corrupt politicians, and internalise the guilt, well they will be pretty much ferked.

The same thing is going to happen post Iraq Afghanistan for many, it is unfortunate to see history repeating it's worst mistakes.
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Reply #8 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 12:03pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 7:48am:
The comparison between holocaust survivors and vietnam vets is interesting, and I think it could be pretty easily summed up as being attributable to guilt, and innocence.

The Viet vets know on some level, that what they were involved in was wrong, stupid, and dirty, and if they fail to associate the blame for their involvement with evil and corrupt politicians, and internalise the guilt, well they will be pretty much ferked.

The same thing is going to happen post Iraq Afghanistan for many, it is unfortunate to see history repeating it's worst mistakes.


I guess you are right. It’s difficult to find meaning in going thousand kilometers away from your country to kill innocent people who you’ve newer seen in your life.
Some of Vietnam war veterans from USA and Australia are involved in charity work in Vietnam that will help them to heal their post traumatic disorders.
http://www.vietnamfriendship.org/fmn.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/01/24/us/veterans-returning-to-vietnam-to-end-a-haun...
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Reply #9 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 12:11pm
 
See especially 2.06 to 2.42.



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Reply #10 - Sep 29th, 2010 at 6:05pm
 
Gosh .. just read through this topic .. very impressive stuff!
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Reply #11 - Sep 29th, 2010 at 6:07pm
 
"Everything can be taken from a man but one thing; the last of the human freedoms—to choose one's attitude"
Victor Frankl


- posted earlier by Soren

A profoundly true and worthy statement!
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Reply #12 - Sep 29th, 2010 at 7:21pm
 
Why does Human Life have a meaning to be discovered and not all life? What makes the human 'special' in this regard?
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Sappho wrote on Sep 29th, 2010 at 7:21pm:
Why does Human Life have a meaning to be discovered and not all life? What makes the human 'special' in this regard?


the thinking. and the articulation of the thinking.

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Reply #14 - Sep 29th, 2010 at 8:42pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2010 at 7:44pm:
Sappho wrote on Sep 29th, 2010 at 7:21pm:
Why does Human Life have a meaning to be discovered and not all life? What makes the human 'special' in this regard?


the thinking. and the articulation of the thinking.



Oh... I understand... the meaning of life has nothing to do with life and everything to do with thinking.

So um... what's the meaning of thinking then? Why is human thinking and its articulation more 'special' in this regard?
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