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Reply #165 - Aug 31^st, 2010 at 3:50pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 31^st, 2010 at 3:10pm:

I totally disagree with the death penalty and consider it a barbaric throw back to the dark ages.
I would rather see a life sentence in solitary ..and I mean life means life without parole

Adel...the lack of the death penalty is a result of the abrogation of 'personal responsiblity'...

'Even though I raped, tortured and dismembered an innocent person that I'd never met...just for my personal sexual gratification...it's not MY fault'???? What sort of an excuse is THAT????

'Sure I did it, but society is to blame or It's because I willing took illegal drugs. or I come from a broken home???'

What a load of crap......
If I commit a crime, like speeding or drink driving.....it's because I DECIDED to....

It's high time serial killers, mass murderers and child rapist/killers took responibilty for THEIR own actions....

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Reply #166 - Aug 31^st, 2010 at 5:59pm

I can see why people do support the death penalty but I personally think that a true life sentence in solitary is a far greater punishment and deterrent than the death penalty.
Death is quick and final, there is no more suffering for the perpetrators of the crimes.
The occasional report lets us know Martin Bryant has suffered far more in the years since his horrendous crimes than if he had got the death penalty.
I get a lot of satisfaction knowing that little turd is going through a living nightmare every day of his sad little life.

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Reply #167 - Aug 31^st, 2010 at 6:06pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 31^st, 2010 at 5:59pm:

I can see why people do support the death penalty but I personally think that a true life sentence in solitary is a far greater punishment and deterrent than the death penalty.
Death is quick and final, there is no more suffering for the perpetrators of the crimes.
The occasional report lets us know Martin Bryant has suffered far more in the years since his horrendous crimes than if he had got the death penalty.
I get a lot of satisfaction knowing that little turd is going through a living nightmare every day of his sad little life.

But the problem with a 'life sentence' is that it's 'rarely' an actual LIFE sentence...
Look at the Skaf Brothers.....despite the heinous nature of their crimes..their sentences were REDUCED from 55 years, down to 17 and 23 years, respectively...

So a 'life sentence' can be as low as 15 or 20 years.....which means a criminal(aged 20), sentenced to 'life in prison'..may be released at age 35.......

What stops at 35 yr old from comitting the very same crime he/she comitted at age 20????

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Death Penalty kills the innocent as well as guilty Reply #168 - Aug 31^st, 2010 at 7:14pm I totally agree, life has to mean life and it has to mean life in solitary.
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Reply #169 - Aug 31^st, 2010 at 7:22pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2010 at 6:06pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 31^st, 2010 at 5:59pm:

I can see why people do support the death penalty but I personally think that a true life sentence in solitary is a far greater punishment and deterrent than the death penalty.
Death is quick and final, there is no more suffering for the perpetrators of the crimes.
The occasional report lets us know Martin Bryant has suffered far more in the years since his horrendous crimes than if he had got the death penalty.
I get a lot of satisfaction knowing that little turd is going through a living nightmare every day of his sad little life.

But the problem with a 'life sentence' is that it's 'rarely' an actual LIFE sentence...
Look at the Skaf Brothers.....despite the heinous nature of their crimes..their sentences were REDUCED from 55 years, down to 17 and 23 years, respectively...

So a 'life sentence' can be as low as 15 or 20 years.....which means a criminal(aged 20), sentenced to 'life in prison'..may be released at age 35.......

What stops at 35 yr old from comitting the very same crime he/she comitted at age 20????

If judges aren't likely to pursue extended (or multiple life sentences) then it's not likely they're going to pursue the death penalty (were it ever implemented).

There needs to be an entire overhaul of the way we treat certain crimes in this country - it all seems so disproportionate at the moment. It seems that often, people are put in prison when it doesn't serve the wider community to do so, while those who should be in their for a sustained period (permanent even) are awarded the chance to get out.

As an aside, wouldn't it also be great if we put more energy into mental health services in this country as well. I'm of the opinion that doing so could potentially go some way to preventing much of what we are currently seeing.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Death Penalty kills the innocent as well as guilty Reply #170 - Aug 31^st, 2010 at 7:28pm You are right, more time and money needs to be spent on mental health before these crimes are committed. We also need to be more open and honest as a society about chronic and severe mental health issues. Although I do think that is as unlikely as the death penalty being reintroduced
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