[quote author=mozzaok link=1281336865/90#90 date=1282017820]
The simple fact is that as a criminal act, someone with reduced capacity to make a conscious moral decision, is far less deserving of receiving the death penalty, than someone with all their faculties.[/quote]

Very true.

[quote author=freediver link=1281336865/90#95 date=1282027067]You cannot exact justice without denying someone their rights.

I oppose the death penalty.[/quote]

If you violate the social contract you have volunteered to give up certain rights.

Criminals have no right to violate the law. Yet, in violating the law, they subject themselves to the sanction of the state, which necessarily is a forfeiture of rights.

[quote author=White_Dove link=1281336865/90#99 date=1282031112]

Capital Punishment was abolished in Australia in 1973

Why would you want to bring it back?

Murdering people who murder people doesn't solve anything.  If the families of murder victims need "closure" perhaps they should seek "God"?[/quote]

The death penalty is a just and appropriate sanction that saves innocent lives.

"Killing equals Killing: The Amoral Confusion of Death Penalty Opponents"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/02/01/murder-and-execution--very-distinct-moral-differences--new-mexico.aspx

CLOSURE

For those who have lost loved ones to murder, the execution of the murderer definitely brings closure.

The execution is closure to the legal process, whereby execution is the most just sanction available for the crime and the family is relieved that the murderer is dead and can no longer harm another innocent - a very big deal.

It is the closure of justice.

The confusion with "closure" is when some imply that execution can bring psychological or emotional closure to the devastation suffered by the murder victim's loved ones.

I know of no victim survivor who believes that execution could bring that type of closure. How could it? No punishment can, nor is that the intention.

The concept of emotional "closure" via execution is, often, a fantasy perpetrated by anti death penalty folks, just so they can denounce it, with a talking point, as in: "Those supporting capital punishment claim that closure is a major reason to support the death penalty - but there is no closure."

When pro death penalty folks state that the death penalty brings closure, I think they are, equally, in error.

Do you know of any murder victim survivor who says that their emotional or psychological pain was closed once the murderer was executed? Me neither. And I have known a lot of them.

Murder victim "Mary Bounds' daughter, Jena Watson, who watched the execution, said Berry's action deprived the family of a mother, a grandmother and a friend, and that pain will never go away."

"We feel that we have received justice," she said Wednesday after the execution. "There's never an end to the hurt from a violent crime. There can never fully be closure. You have to learn to do the best you can. Tonight brings finality to a lot of emotional issues."

Ina Prechtl, who lost her daughter Felecia Prechtl. to a rape /murder said, after watching Karl Chamberlain executed: "One question I ask myself every day, why does it take so long for justice to be served?" It took 17 years for the execution (both the above from "Texas executes 1st inmate since injection lull", 6/11/2008, MICHAEL GRACZYK, Associated Press Writer, HUNTSVILLE, Texas).

"(Kidnap/rape/murder victim) Cheryl Payton's sister, Susan Payton, said, "On this (execution) day, we're uncertain that you could define today as closure. It is like a chapter in a book that you just read the next chapter and you hope that the next chapter might be better" ( "Victim’s Family Reacts To Execution", by Steve Alexander, WKRG, Mobile News, Alabama, May 27, 2010).

[quote author=Deborahmac09 link=1281336865/105#113 date=1282036868]and where do we draw the line to those to receive the death penalty giz?.[/quote]

It is very easy to do, just as we do with fines, various jails times, community service, etc.

So I see you DONT have any actual evidence to support your position...

no surprise. Just another one of a long list of blood-thirsty maggots wanting to exalt in the death of another with only scant regard to innocence - nevemind justice!

go away, child.

[quote author=Deborahmac09 link=1281336865/135#144 date=1282042620][quote author=dudleysharp link=1281336865/135#141 date=1282041957][quote author=Deborahmac09 link=1281336865/105#113 date=1282036868]and where do we draw the line to those to receive the death penalty giz?.[/quote]

It is very easy to do, just as we do with fines, various jails times, community service, etc.[/quote]


It is not working.[/quote]

Deborah, it is working, just not to the satisfaction of many.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 17^th, 2010 at 8:50pm:



That's nonsense.
You accuse supporters of capital punishment of peddling anger and emotive argument.
That is no different.

In actual fact my arguments in its favour are completely without emotion.

Andrei, it is indifference we have a problem with.