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Death Penalty kills the innocent as well as guilty
Aug 9th, 2010 at 4:54pm
 


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DNA tests tell us half of all death row inmates in America are innocent

In 1997, Illinois halted executions when DNA testing found 52% of their deathrow inmates were innocent.
The people who were exhonorated are: Rolando Cruz, Alejandro Hernandez, Verneal Jimerson, Dennis Williams, Joseph Burrows, Gary Gauger, Carl Lawson, Perry Cobb, Darby Tillis.
In Texas, the following people were found innocent AFTER execution. Texas still executes prisoners.
Frank Basil McFarland was executed for a rape/murder despite multiple inconsistencies in the state’s case, altered evidence, purchased and coerced testimony, and suppressed evidence of guilt. After execcution, he was found innocent by DNA testing.
Troy Farris was convicted of the murder of a police officer. DNA proved he was innocent. Gov. George W Bush deny clemency. Troy Farris was execcuted.
Jerry Lee Hogue was convicted of an arson/murder. Another individual later admited to the crime, but was denied further investigation by Gov. Bush. Mr Hogue was execcuted.
David Stoker was convicted of capital murder based on the testimony of three witnesses, who later recanted their testimony. Doubts aside, Gov. Bush executed Mr. Stoker.
Richard Wayne Jones, was convicted of a murder despite strong evidence that his sister’s boyfriend had committed it. DNA testing was denied by Gov. Bush, and approved his execution.
Willie Williams and Joseph Nichols both shot at their murder victim, but only one hit him. In order to execute both, Texas argued that each had killed the man; in one trial, the state argued that Mr. Williams had shot the victim and Mr. Nichols had missed, and in the next trial, the state argued that Mr. Nichols had shot the victim and Mr. Williams had missed. Both were convicted of capital murder. Mr. Williams was executed by Gov. Bush; Mr. Nichols is still on death row.
James Lee Beathard was convicted of capital murder based on the testimony of the admitted murderer, Gene Hathorn. Still, Gov. Bush executed Mr. Beathard, though he was innovent.
Gary Graham was convicted of capital murder on the basis of one eyewitness’s testimony. Despite DNA evidence that provees otherwise, Mr. Graham was executed by Gov. Bush.
David Wayne Spence was convicted of capital murder although no physical evidence linked him to the crime and almost every witness against him admitted that his or her testimony had been purchased or coerced. DNA evidence says that another man had committed the triple murder. Nevertheless, Gov. Bush executed Mr. Spence.
Cost
A study released on March 6, 2008 found that in USA taxpayers have paid at least $37.2 million for each of execution both innocent and guilty. Can you believe tax payers are willing to pay that much money to kill an innocent person? pdf link      

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Re: Death Penalty kills the innocent as well as guilty
Reply #1 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 5:10pm
 
athos wrote on Aug 9th, 2010 at 4:54pm:
DNA tests tell us half of all death row inmates in America are innocent


In 1997, Illinois halted executions when DNA testing found 52% of their deathrow inmates were innocent.
The people who were exhonorated are: Rolando Cruz, Alejandro Hernandez, Verneal Jimerson, Dennis Williams, Joseph Burrows, Gary Gauger, Carl Lawson, Perry Cobb, Darby Tillis.
In Texas, the following people were found innocent AFTER execution. Texas still executes prisoners.
Frank Basil McFarland was executed for a rape/murder despite multiple inconsistencies in the state’s case, altered evidence, purchased and coerced testimony, and suppressed evidence of guilt. After execcution, he was found innocent by DNA testing.
Troy Farris was convicted of the murder of a police officer. DNA proved he was innocent. Gov. George W Bush deny clemency. Troy Farris was execcuted.
Jerry Lee Hogue was convicted of an arson/murder. Another individual later admited to the crime, but was denied further investigation by Gov. Bush. Mr Hogue was execcuted.
David Stoker was convicted of capital murder based on the testimony of three witnesses, who later recanted their testimony. Doubts aside, Gov. Bush executed Mr. Stoker.
Richard Wayne Jones, was convicted of a murder despite strong evidence that his sister’s boyfriend had committed it. DNA testing was denied by Gov. Bush, and approved his execution.
Willie Williams and Joseph Nichols both shot at their murder victim, but only one hit him. In order to execute both, Texas argued that each had killed the man; in one trial, the state argued that Mr. Williams had shot the victim and Mr. Nichols had missed, and in the next trial, the state argued that Mr. Nichols had shot the victim and Mr. Williams had missed. Both were convicted of capital murder. Mr. Williams was executed by Gov. Bush; Mr. Nichols is still on death row.
James Lee Beathard was convicted of capital murder based on the testimony of the admitted murderer, Gene Hathorn. Still, Gov. Bush executed Mr. Beathard, though he was innovent.
Gary Graham was convicted of capital murder on the basis of one eyewitness’s testimony. Despite DNA evidence that provees otherwise, Mr. Graham was executed by Gov. Bush.
David Wayne Spence was convicted of capital murder although no physical evidence linked him to the crime and almost every witness against him admitted that his or her testimony had been purchased or coerced. DNA evidence says that another man had committed the triple murder. Nevertheless, Gov. Bush executed Mr. Spence.
Cost
A study released on March 6, 2008 found that in USA taxpayers have paid at least $37.2 million for each of execution both innocent and guilty. Can you believe tax payers are willing to pay that much money to kill an innocent person? pdf link      



And??...
It's better to make an occasion mistake by executing the wrong man, than it is to remove the 'threat' of the death penalty.....

Mistakes are very tragic, YES...but the death penalty stops enough crimes to still make it justified....
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Reply #2 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 5:42pm
 
Doesn't sound like justice to me.

It is better to let ten guilty men go free than to hang an innocent man.
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Reply #3 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 5:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2010 at 5:42pm:
Doesn't sound like justice to me.

It is better to let ten guilty men go free than to hang an innocent man.



No it's not....because those ten guilty men can ,potentially kill ANOTHER 10 innocent people....
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Are YOU prepared to be responsible for the 10,20 or 30 deaths, that would result from allowing the 10 guilty men to go free?????


No? well then it's far better to kill 1 innocent man than to allow 10 guilty one to go free.....
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I'm not opposed to the death penalty, but the american system by which it is implemented is riduclous.  they spend deacdes on detah row, and then need to be ecuted 'humanely'

What's wrong with letting the victims family and friends beat them to death?  It gives the same end result, but would be much more satisfying for those affected.
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Reply #6 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 5:51pm
 
You people have no conceopt of justice.
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Reply #7 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 5:52pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 9th, 2010 at 5:47pm:
Are YOU prepared to be responsible for the 10,20 or 30 deaths, that would result from allowing the 10 guilty men to go free?????


No? well then it's far better to kill 1 innocent man than to allow 10 guilty one to go free.....


Yeah after all, what is another murdered victim! Who seeks justice for them?
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freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2010 at 5:51pm:
You people have no conceopt of justice.




Does justice even exist these days?
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Reply #9 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 6:06pm
 
Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 9th, 2010 at 5:52pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 9th, 2010 at 5:47pm:
Are YOU prepared to be responsible for the 10,20 or 30 deaths, that would result from allowing the 10 guilty men to go free?????


No? well then it's far better to kill 1 innocent man than to allow 10 guilty one to go free.....


Yeah after all, what is another murdered victim! Who seeks justice for them?



Well I think it's far less of a 'crime' to kill Joe Bloggs,by mistake,  than it is to release John Wayne Gacey, William Bonin and Jeffrey Dahmer.....
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gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 9th, 2010 at 5:10pm:
And??...
It's better to make an occasion mistake by executing the wrong man, than it is to remove the 'threat' of the death penalty.....

Mistakes are very tragic, YES...but the death penalty stops enough crimes to still make it justified....


You'll be hard pressed finding any conclusive evidence that the death penalty has any deterrent effect.
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Reply #11 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 6:08pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 9th, 2010 at 6:06pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 9th, 2010 at 5:10pm:
And??...
It's better to make an occasion mistake by executing the wrong man, than it is to remove the 'threat' of the death penalty.....

Mistakes are very tragic, YES...but the death penalty stops enough crimes to still make it justified....


You'll be hard pressed finding any conclusive evidence that the death penalty has any deterrent effect.



Not really...the death penalty absolutely guarantees that they don't do it again....
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life_goes_on - I agree entirely.

those committing a crime that brings the death penalty have already passed the point of no return.
They kill more readily.

if a defendant is black and illiterate they are MUCH more likely to face the electric chair.
if a white woman is the victim, they are pretty much gone gone

and, who are we, to take anothers life ?
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Reply #13 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 6:25pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 9th, 2010 at 6:19pm:
life_goes_on - I agree entirely.

those committing a crime that brings the death penalty have already passed the point of no return.
They kill more readily.

if a defendant is black and illiterate they are MUCH more likely to face the electric chair.
if a white woman is the victim, they are pretty much gone gone

and, who are we, to take anothers life ?



'who are we, to take anothers life'????

WE are the society that THEY agreed to live IN....
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Reply #14 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 6:25pm
 
Remember the Skaf Brothers????
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