Just actually listen to Tone, critically assess his spending and saving and a big bump up of the GST is the only way he can do half of what he is promising. The first 10% can go to the states, the second 10% to the Feds, a minor amendment to the GST Bil is all that is needed you know.

Why don’t you Libs know these everyday facts?

On the Lib Party website they are flying a kite re bumping up the GST: what is the point of bumping it to 12%? Might as well take it to 20%! Another pointer, one of the brilliant Lib economic brains did let slip that europe (and now the UK) had 20$ VAT so why didn’t we?

If the betting agencies offer as a bet that if Tone wins the GST would be hiked I would put $1000 on it!

Longy, you wanted to debate me on this issue but time and again you show that you have not even the first idea what you are talking about.

The idea of optical fibre being redundant in fifty years is common sense, if you vote liberal, but sticking with copper, a technology from THE NINETEENTH CENTURY!!!! is the Liberal Plan we should have faith in?

People are just being silly opposing fibre, it has to happen, it is the only viable choice.
How far the fibre goes, and what areas it goes into is relevant, and I agree that for many rural communities fibre would not be a good choice, but copper can carry the load in those areas for the final run.
I tested one of Telstras advanced copper options, and it was quite good, but what people who complain about the broadband network ignore is that we will be receiving everything online, TV, phone, media home control and security, games, all that and more, and speed and bandwidth will be imperative.
Speed and bandwidth only fibre can deliver.
Sure Labor's plan is not perfect, but it is a perfect example of what you get from Labor, as compared to the Libs.
Labor invested in world class infrastructure to serve Aussie families and businesses for decades to come.
Liberals suggested we make do with technology already over a hundred years old, just "tweak" it a bit and she'll be apples.
They could have paid for the whole thing with the money they sent over to the USA for their Super Fund investments, wasn't that a stroke of economic genius?

So while luddites can whinge that they already get their emails fast enough, the rest of the world will be moving full tilt into the digital age, and unless we are a part of that, we will be left behind.

mozzaok wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 3:04pm:


ok now that you actually want to debate details maybe we can go ahead. Im no against fiber at all - quite the contrary. fiber to the node is an excellent and cost-effective solution and will give excellent and reliable results for most home owners. it is also a quater of the cost of fibre to the home. fibre to the home is superior in every measurment other than cost effectiveness. very very very few homes will need it or utilise if a fractions of its bandwidth. most hardly stretch ADSL2+ now either.

so the simple and far cheaper solution is fibre to the node followed up by optional (and separately costed) fiber to the home or business as required. it is scalable, vastly cheaper and with virtually no reduction in actual usefulness.

Darwin wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 3:09pm:

Care to show me where this is the Libs plan, as opposed to just fear and smear on your behalf?

FTTN is way inferior, why would anybody do such a halfhearted scheme? When Labor was calling the first tender Conroy and Rudd were advised by those that know that it had to be FTTH.

Anyway, I doubt the savings would be very real. Telstra as owner of the copper would screw the system to make an extra buck or a hundred anyway. I remember reading all this way back when.

The NBN is just so revolutionary, would unleash so much innovation, new services, new applications it would boost the economy for a long time.

No they weren’t! If they were advised the complete opposite they would have proceeded with the FTTN.

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Errrrrr no, they didn’t! Sure, a few did, the ones whose networks were considered inadequate for folding into the NBN. I reckon I could count all the telcos/ISPs opposing the NBN on the fingers of one hand. ISPs are certainly selling their services in the areas where the NBN has already been rolled out in Tassie.

We need the NBN to improve business productivity, educational and health services and I will hammer micron thin the stupid wireless broadband dongle I rely on now, s l o w !