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SHHHHH! There is an Elephant in the room. (Read 6417 times)
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Reply #15 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 1:48pm
 
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This is exactly the reason as why Abbott is by passing the economic debate .



No it's not.  Ms Gillard was given the option of THREE debates by Abbott, as was Rudd before he was rolled,  Gillard REFUSED POINT BLANK , can't remember whether Rudd was going to oblige or not.  She is only carrying on about it now to deflect from the fact that she has no real policies,  just a lot of "gunnas" and "wannas" (you really listen to her) .   She had her chance and wimped out so tough titties Julia !


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Reply #16 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 1:48pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 1:06pm:
You really are a desperate lot at times!  ABbott has identified savings to cover all his policies. and at least he HAS some policies unlike the idiotic labor party!


I don't know if you saw this Longy but I wouldn't really be holding Abbott up as a financial manager.

Tony Abbott is offering Australia a faith-based economics policy -
because there's such a lack of vital detail that it requires deep belief in Abbott and his team.

And that's hard, because none of the Coalition economics team has even one day's experience managing a national economy.


Together with national defence, managing the economy is one of the two great responsibilities that fall uniquely to the federal government.

Abbott chants a sacred daily mantra: "End the waste, pay back the debt, stop the big new taxes and stop the boats."

Yet when he was asked yesterday when he would return the budget to surplus, he had no answer. Pressed by a reporter - "You don't know when the country will be back in surplus under a Coalition government?" - he dodged.


Abbott told a news conference in Brisbane that he couldn't nominate a time because, "I don't know what I will inherit" from Labor.

Two problems. First, it's unconvincing. If he wins and discovers Labor has lied about the public accounts, he need only say so and he would be held blameless.

Second, his answer is very odd because on the same day, Joe Hockey told reporters in another part of Queensland: "It's the Coalition that will deliver a surplus in three years' time, a real surplus."

In fact, it's point one in Abbott's "Action Contract" with the Australian people: "Restore the budget surplus within three years".

So is Abbott abandoning his Action Contract? Or does he not know his own policy? Is "pay back the debt" not really a policy, just a slogan?


The relentless media attention on the Labor Party's woes has allowed the Opposition Leader to come within three weeks of winning power just skating on economic policy.

Abbott promises to "end the waste''. OK, but what policy framework would he impose? Where will the discipline come from?

The government has committed itself to a limit of 2 per cent annual growth in real spending as it restores the budget.

The opposition has not committed to match this, nor has it proposed any other fiscal rule. So "ending the waste" is just a slogan, too.


What about the third economic leg of the Abbott mantra, "stop the big new taxes?"

Abbott has promised to dump the government's proposed mining tax, projected to raise $10.5 billion in its first two years. But he is also promising a new tax on larger companies, a 1.5 per cent levy, raising $6.1 billion in the first two years, to help pay for his paid parental leave scheme. Isn't that a big new tax?

Ah, says Abbott, but it's only temporary: "Once the budget position has been restored, we will reduce the levy and eventually abolish it," says the Liberal policy published yesterday.

OK, and when will the budget position be restored? This takes us back to Abbott's first answer. If he won't say, we can't know.

Or if his Action Contract is really Liberal policy, it will be in 2013. Which is exactly when the corporate levy kicks in.

So in this case, the levy will be redundant even as it kicks in. Not only a big new tax, but an unnecessary one, according to the Liberals' own policy.

So Abbott is either renouncing his Action Contract, or he is proposing an unnecessary new $6.1 billion tax.


And even the faithful would have trouble believing that this mess is sound economic policy.


http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/surplus-blunder-reveals-coalitions-econom...
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Reply #17 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 1:51pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 12:36pm:
Hands up all those who do not believe the Libs will raise the GST.

Anyone?


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Reply #18 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:30pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 12:43pm:
he has said he will stop the nbbn , amongst a few other alp outgoings.

NBN is a great investment, comparable to the Snowy Mountain Scheme in importance and scale. The whole ski industry in NSW is a by product of the SMS, the spin offs and by products of the NBN will be staggeringly vast.

And the NBN is not a regular outgoing or revenue item, its cancellation would not help the Budget bottom line by a dollar.
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Reply #19 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:32pm
 
That the Libs will raise the GST to 20% is a poorly kept secret. Their announced savings don’t amount to a hill of beans so they need funds from somewhere else.
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Reply #20 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:32pm
 
Sprint doesn't care about the NBN him and Abbott still rely on carrier pidgion.
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Reply #21 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:33pm
 
Or maybe thats budgie.
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Reply #22 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:36pm
 
Darwin wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:30pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 12:43pm:
he has said he will stop the nbbn , amongst a few other alp outgoings.

NBN is a great investment, comparable to the Snowy Mountain Scheme in importance and scale. The whole ski industry in NSW is a by product of the SMS, the spin offs and by products of the NBN will be staggeringly vast.

And the NBN is not a regular outgoing or revenue item, its cancellation would not help the Budget bottom line by a dollar.


Your idiotic posts make skippy look rational and reserved. you are close to being totally wrong in every post. you are as dumb as a bag of hammers!
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Reply #23 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:37pm
 
Mozz, why would the government increase the GST to pay of debt when the GST goes to the states?

Sorry Mozz but this is just fear mongering at its best, much like when SLR over at yahoo was saying the same thing about the ALP increasing the GST.
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Reply #24 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:39pm
 
Verge wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:37pm:
Mozz, why would the government increase the GST to pay of debt when the GST goes to the states?


This GST furphy is typical of the desperate labor supporters on here. neither abbot or Gillard have even mentioned the GST and the possibility of raising it. it is nothing more than a desperate smear by a group of supporters unwilling to accept that labor are on the nose and could possibly lose this election.
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Reply #25 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:41pm
 
Anyone here remember the Chaser stunt? Telstra broadband, a carrier pigeon in a race to deliver a 600Mb file. the carrier pigeon won.

NBN is vital! Telstra has neglected its copper network so a completely new network is needed. FTTH is the fastest way of transferring information and the NBN will be delivering for at least 50 years.

What exactly is wrong in the above?
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Reply #26 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:43pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:39pm:
Verge wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:37pm:
Mozz, why would the government increase the GST to pay of debt when the GST goes to the states?


This GST furphy is typical of the desperate labor supporters on here. neither abbot or Gillard have even mentioned the GST and the possibility of raising it. it is nothing more than a desperate smear by a group of supporters unwilling to accept that labor are on the nose and could possibly lose this election.


Bah! GST is federal legislation and the Libs could amend it the day Parliament first sits unless Mr X opposed it and who knows how that media tart would vote. Can’t you Libs put forward some decent arguments?
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Reply #27 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:46pm
 
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Anyone here remember the Chaser stunt? Telstra broadband, a carrier pigeon in a race to deliver a 600Mb file. the carrier pigeon won

Thats why Abbott is dropping the NBN, he can issue every school age child with a budgie(pidgions are sooo British) to be kept inside their undies, it also reduces the effects of radiation from mobiles ect.
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Reply #28 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:50pm
 
Darwin wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:41pm:
Anyone here remember the Chaser stunt? Telstra broadband, a carrier pigeon in a race to deliver a 600Mb file. the carrier pigeon won.

NBN is vital! Telstra has neglected its copper network so a completely new network is needed. FTTH is the fastest way of transferring information and the NBN will be delivering for at least 50 years.

What exactly is wrong in the above?


A) what was the distance for this already admitted 'stunt'
B) was does 'fastest' have to necessarily be an advantage? so that  dopes like you can download more pirate movies twice as fast? FTTH wil give 24Mbs (not 100 as promised) and the average ADLS2+ speed is 12Mbs. So forty billion dollars to double the speed? and it wil be here by well.... 2020?? and howards braodband of national ADSL2+ woudl have been here already.
C) 50 years??? 50 years ago none of our current comms infrastruture was even indevelopment. I doubt very much that 2060 will see us ussing comms built in 2010. anyone who belives that is 12 years old.
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Reply #29 - Aug 4th, 2010 at 2:52pm
 
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Bah! GST is federal legislation and the Libs could amend it the day Parliament first sits unless Mr X opposed it and who knows how that media tart would vote


as could have labor in the last 3 years. you sound stupider as you go on.
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