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Reply #15 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 4:46pm
 
The biggest lie is that somehow Labor saved us from recession. the actual truth is that the long list of people responsible for saving us from the recession/depression were Howard, Costello, Hawke, Keating and many others. Swann and Rudd were only on the last leg of a very long race - nothing more.
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Reply #16 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 4:49pm
 
Thats true longweekend.
Much the same as saying that just cause rudd cashed in the cheque made out to Howard doesnt mean that rudd has lifted a finger at all.
Besides as we all know rudd couldnt lift a finger a she had them jammed in his ear holes grabbing a feed!
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Reply #17 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:15pm
 
Next Lie. No Great big new Tax



The fact is that the 1.7% tax hike on Coles and Woolworths to pay for Tony’s Paid Parental Leave Scheme will blow a hole in family budgets across the country.
And it was the very same Paid Parental Leave Scheme which provided the next belly laugh of the week.

Despite having previously declared that Paid Parental Leave would happen in Australia over his dead body, in March Tony decided that maybe it was worth a try after all. Of course such policy on the run had the big end of town choking on their cigars and wishing to make good on Tony’s earlier declaration.

Not surprisingly it turns out that in all the haste the policy had not
been properly costed and needed some remedial work in order to survive the glare of election scrutiny.
So rather than make the leave based on the salary of the person taking the leave, Tony’s scheme will now pay in accordance with the mother’s salary even if it is the father taking the leave. Aside from a cynical reliance on pay inequity to solve his budgetary woes, how on earth can Tony possibly justify this?

The inevitable effect will be to discourage paternity leave. Rather than Government empowering couples to make their own choice about how to manage parental time spent with a newborn, Tony’s government will do its best to make the choice for them.

Only Tony Abbott can take an innately progressive policy such as paid parental leave and make it an agent for his reactionary views.

The climax of the week has come with Tony’s company tax cut of 1.5%. In March Tony announced he would increase company tax on large companies to pay for his PPL scheme. In June Tony said that no-one would notice a 2% cut in the company tax rate. I suppose that’s true in respect of the economically bored but companies themselves might beg to differ.
Yet now Tony lauds an even smaller tax cut.
And in proposing such a cut Tony is the first leader to take to an election simultaneous polices which both increase and reduce company tax rates at the same time. He proposes two polices which are fighting each other. Coles and Woolies must be scratching their heads at getting a 1.5 per cent cut, coupled with a 1.7 per cent increase.
Tony is a one man Punch and Judy show.

After a week of promising what has already been delivered; nominating the big issues and declaring he can do nothing about them; taking the progressive and making it discriminatory; and proposing the first ever company tax cut-hike; we are left to conclude that Steven Hawking’s work on chaos theory must have come from researching Tony Abbott’s brain.

Tony Abbott makes policy with the precision of John Howard’s bowling. He is the scud missile of public policy formulation: erratic and dangerous.

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/tony-abbott-the-scud-missile-of-public-policy/



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Reply #18 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:20pm
 
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Next Lie. No Great big new Tax




Bit hard as rudd/gilliard has already brought in a Great Big New Tax on ciggies and then there's the mining tax!
Oh and dont forget the ETS that they tried to swindle through.
SO yes, the ALP have already started the Great big New Tax!
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Reply #19 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:21pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 4:46pm:
The biggest lie is that somehow Labor saved us from recession. the actual truth is that the long list of people responsible for saving us from the recession/depression were Howard, Costello, Hawke, Keating and many others. Swann and Rudd were only on the last leg of a very long race - nothing more.



Pathetic how ignorant people are so ungrateful for the fact that the prompt action of Rudd certainly did keep us out of recession.

The school building projects made a huge difference to our economy, and as someone who has been in the building industry, or related industries, his whole life, I can tell you that it is the absolute bread and butter of our everyday economy.

Now that these projects are winding up, lots of suppliers are witnessing a significant slow down, without  it, many of them would have gone to the wall, and millions of aussies would have been out of work, and very many thousands would have lost their homes.

It is only right wing imbos who just want to criticise all and everything Labor does, who refuse to acknowledge the fact that the stimulus package was very necessary, and very effective.
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Reply #20 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:26pm
 
Quote:
Next Lie. No Great big new Tax



The fact is that the 1.7% tax hike on Coles and Woolworths to pay for Tony’s Paid Parental Leave Scheme will blow a hole in family budgets across the country.
And it was the very same Paid Parental Leave Scheme which provided the next belly laugh of the week.

Despite having previously declared that Paid Parental Leave would happen in Australia over his dead body, in March Tony decided that maybe it was worth a try after all. Of course such policy on the run had the big end of town choking on their cigars and wishing to make good on Tony’s earlier declaration.

Not surprisingly it turns out that in all the haste the policy had not
been properly costed and needed some remedial work in order to survive the glare of election scrutiny.
So rather than make the leave based on the salary of the person taking the leave, Tony’s scheme will now pay in accordance with the mother’s salary even if it is the father taking the leave. Aside from a cynical reliance on pay inequity to solve his budgetary woes, how on earth can Tony possibly justify this?

The inevitable effect will be to discourage paternity leave. Rather than Government empowering couples to make their own choice about how to manage parental time spent with a newborn, Tony’s government will do its best to make the choice for them.

Only Tony Abbott can take an innately progressive policy such as paid parental leave and make it an agent for his reactionary views.

The climax of the week has come with Tony’s company tax cut of 1.5%. In March Tony announced he would increase company tax on large companies to pay for his PPL scheme. In June Tony said that no-one would notice a 2% cut in the company tax rate. I suppose that’s true in respect of the economically bored but companies themselves might beg to differ.
Yet now Tony lauds an even smaller tax cut.
And in proposing such a cut Tony is the first leader to take to an election simultaneous polices which both increase and reduce company tax rates at the same time. He proposes two polices which are fighting each other. Coles and Woolies must be scratching their heads at getting a 1.5 per cent cut, coupled with a 1.7 per cent increase.
Tony is a one man Punch and Judy show.

After a week of promising what has already been delivered; nominating the big issues and declaring he can do nothing about them; taking the progressive and making it discriminatory; and proposing the first ever company tax cut-hike; we are left to conclude that Steven Hawking’s work on chaos theory must have come from researching Tony Abbott’s brain.

Tony Abbott makes policy with the precision of John Howard’s bowling. He is the scud missile of public policy formulation: erratic and dangerous.

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/tony-abbott-the-scud-missile-of-public-policy/






and still a vaslty better policy than Gillards 150-member climate change convention. Abbott's idea is viable while Gillards is a nation-wide joke!
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #21 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:28pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:21pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 4:46pm:
The biggest lie is that somehow Labor saved us from recession. the actual truth is that the long list of people responsible for saving us from the recession/depression were Howard, Costello, Hawke, Keating and many others. Swann and Rudd were only on the last leg of a very long race - nothing more.



Pathetic how ignorant people are so ungrateful for the fact that the prompt action of Rudd certainly did keep us out of recession.


PMSFL Not sure which is funniest, your comment or the fact that you actually believe it  Grin Grin Grin



The school building projects made a huge difference to our economy,


Yeah it helped with the rorts and the rip offs - cost Australia mega millions
 Grin Grin Grin


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Reply #22 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:37pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:21pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 4:46pm:
The biggest lie is that somehow Labor saved us from recession. the actual truth is that the long list of people responsible for saving us from the recession/depression were Howard, Costello, Hawke, Keating and many others. Swann and Rudd were only on the last leg of a very long race - nothing more.



Pathetic how ignorant people are so ungrateful for the fact that the prompt action of Rudd certainly did keep us out of recession.

The school building projects made a huge difference to our economy, and as someone who has been in the building industry, or related industries, his whole life, I can tell you that it is the absolute bread and butter of our everyday economy.

Now that these projects are winding up, lots of suppliers are witnessing a significant slow down, without  it, many of them would have gone to the wall, and millions of aussies would have been out of work, and very many thousands would have lost their homes.

It is only right wing imbos who just want to criticise all and everything Labor does, who refuse to acknowledge the fact that the stimulus package was very necessary, and very effective.


if you try and read what people are ACTUALLY saying instead of taking the extreme view you might have a hope of getting a better picture of people's opinions. YES, a stimulus was required. this single statement doesnt therefore imply that the labor stimulus was gold-plated perfect. the BER was a DISASTER of wasted money. $16.9B of money to obtain $5B of value. only a labor supporter could call that value for money. the insulation fiasco... stimulated the import sector and a small fillip to the funeral business. the bank guarantee was incompetetly managed by any understanding. The question on most thinking liberals is not the FACT of the stimulus but rather the size and where and when it was applied.
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Reply #23 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:41pm
 
Come off it longweekend, its getting a bit tiring seeing you post facts and logic! Grin Grin
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Reply #24 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:41pm
 
lil.brat26 wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:41pm:
Come off it longweekend, its getting a bit tiring seeing you post facts and logic! Grin Grin


It DOES confuse them, Ive found!
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Reply #25 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:42pm
 
It leaves them no room to go, no opportunity to create some spin.
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Reply #26 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 5:52pm
 
THE first thing to be said about Tony Abbott's critics this week is that they are liars.
Take Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

Gillard's eager ears pricked up when she learnt that Women's Weekly, in a long profile this week on Abbott, asked the Opposition Leader what he thought of sex before marriage.

Hello, hello, hello.

You see, the Rudd Government has been desperate to exploit anti-Catholic bigotry in this country and paint Abbott as a papist who'd ban abortions if he could and force children to study Bibles.

Yes, really - that's how dishonest and vile its attacks have been.

But Gillard must have been disappointed by what Abbott actually told Women's Weekly, because I doubt there's a good father who'd have said much different to his own daughters.

Check for yourself. Here is every last word that Abbott, himself the father of three girls, said: "It (sex before marriage) happens ... I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question ... it is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving, and don't give it to someone lightly, that is what I would say."

Full stop. Read anything to object to?
No. And that's precisely why Gillard had to lie. (I am of course presuming she actually checked what Abbott said.)

Here now is what Gillard said: "These comments will confirm the worst fears of Australian women about Tony Abbott. Australian women don't want to be told what to do by Tony Abbott.

"Australian women want to make their own choices and they don't want to be lectured to by Mr Abbott."

You see immediately Gillard's big lie - albeit one of deliberate inference, rather than bald statement.

Abbott had not lectured Australian women generally. As he'd made clear, his was advice he would give only to his own daughters, and only if they asked.

Nor was he telling anyone "what to do" - not even his daughters.

He was only suggesting what they might consider when making their own decision. Not even to his girls did he preach against sex before marriage.

So Gillard lied. And she wasn't alone.

Predictably, the media repeated this untruth that Abbott had told all single women to keep their virginity.

Once again, many journalists preferred to reinforce their stereotype of Abbott as the "Mad Monk" rather than to tell the sober facts.

Even The Australian announced: "Tony Abbott urges women to save their virginity for marriage."

No, he didn't.

Age writer Gabriella Coslovich even fumed that Abbott's "nauseating" advice showed this "religious fanatic" was again trying to "lord it over" things, "be it land or a woman's body".

"Comedian" Fiona Scott-Norman, also in The Age, abused Abbott as a "one-time drug-taking, Vatican roulette playing, shagabout, white, middle-aged male" and a "pompous tosspot" who was "telling young women not to do what he did when he was their age".

And the ABC's Jon Faine gleefully played a clip of yet another Age banshee screeching at Abbott: "Get your rosaries off my ovaries."
SUCH orchestrated lying about what Abbott said is the real issue, and at least Gillard did not make things worse by also lampooning the advice Abbott actually offered his daughters.

Indeed, how could she? What should he have said to his teenage girls instead? To sleep with the first drunk who asked, for all he cared?

You'd really have to be especially ideological, malevolent or clueless about parenting - and probably all three - to think Abbott's words so silly.

Alas, we have many commentators who tick just those boxes.

Academic Catharine Lumby, the gender-politics expert who for years taught National Rugby League players how best to ask women for sex, actually claimed Abbott's advice belonged to the days when women were "shamed and blamed for having a normal sexual appetite and behaviour".

(I think she means the days before NRL players had group sex with girls who then cried their eyes out on TV.)

Feminist Eva Cox meanwhile claimed he was "commodifying women by saying their sexuality was something to trade".

But no one was more vicious than our resident feminist ideologue, Jill Singer, who on this page likened Abbott to a terrorist ... and a paedophile.

His "tender appreciation of female chastity", she said, "would sit happily alongside that of ... Osama bin Laden".

What's more, Abbott's views were "icky" and "pervy", since "even metaphorically, it's kind of creepy for a prominent male politician to be rummaging around inside the underwear of young girls in search of political inspiration".

If I ran this paper I'd sack Singer for so foul and dishonest a piece of vilification. But when even the Deputy Prime Minister can so lie about a loving father's sane advice to a daughter, who can be surprised by a shoal of savage Singers swimming in that cesspool, too?
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And why not, if you will permit me; why shouldn’t I, if you will permit me; spend my first week as prime minister, should that happen, on this, on your, country - Abbott with the Garma People Aug 13
 
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Reply #27 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 6:01pm
 
If you're going to copy and paste an entire article from Catholic Action Australia, at least credit the source.
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Reply #28 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 6:04pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 6:01pm:
If you're going to copy and paste an entire article from Catholic Action Australia, at least credit the source.


Dont be an idiot - although it is a little too late for that.
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Reply #29 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 6:12pm
 
My mistake, it was actually an Andrew Bolt piece.
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