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Reply #30 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:47pm:

The interesting thing about this thread is that there are no labor supporters here pronouncing that they will win the election. it is that same feeling that is spreading throughout the comunity and the labor party itself. the wheels on the campaign bus have well and truly fallen off and seemingly NOTHING goes right. Rudd is unable to campaign in QLD to help them but is quite capable of leaking... and the good lead Gillard had 2 weeks ago is now gone. It is an amazing experience to watch a first-term govt self-destruct. 3 weeks to go and Libs are already in a winning position.

LOL, Bates...suffice to say that some of us are hoping that your lot will be arrogant enough to shout that loud and proud...

As I suggested a few minutes ago: the real risk of an Abbott Govt is that the way has been paved for him to be installed indefinitely at the helm, regardless of how crazily delusional and pig-headed he becomes...

He is immature, bigoted, divisive and mentally ill (Bi-polar) - consistently unpredicatable - and a rabid attack dog is precisely NOT what any country needs in its national Leader!

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Reply #31 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:55pm

||However, a large group of moderate Libs remain gravely afraid of being relegated to political oblivion||

and here is the best bit! political oblivion??? even losing isnt political oblivion but when you look like winning....? You have only one competitor in the 'daft political analysis' competition - green-goober. And you may be surpassing him!!!

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Reply #32 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:58pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:55pm:

||However, a large group of moderate Libs remain gravely afraid of being relegated to political oblivion||

and here is the best bit! political oblivion??? even losing isnt political oblivion but when you look like winning....? You have only one competitor in the 'daft political analysis' competition - green-goober. And you may be surpassing him!!!

LOL...admit it Bates: even you have been privately afraid of that in recent months!

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Reply #33 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 1:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:50pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 10:59am:

Cabinet moves towards Greens' interim carbon tax
Thursday 15th July 2010

The Greens today welcomed reports that Cabinet is actively considering the Greens' proposal of an interim carbon tax but warned Prime Minister Gillard that seeking consensus on climate action only with the big polluters is a recipe for failure.

"Getting a carbon price in the market as soon as possible after the coming election is one of the best ways to build consensus towards real, ambitious climate action," Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, said.

"Once polluters begin to pay for their pollution and Australians see that the sky is not falling in, the scare campaigns will lose their bite and we can move swiftly towards the deep emissions cuts that we need.

http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/cabinet-moves-towards-greens-inter...

Obviously Milne doesnt understand the commonly accepted definition of 'consensus'. typical greenie...

And Greens understand that consensus can be built by leading. For example Greens on lifting Pensioners Out Of Poverty. Originally Liberals voted with Labor and opposed Lifting Pensioners Out Of Poverty ... then Liberals flip flopped and sided with the Greens ... Then Labor caved in.

Consensus was then achieved.

Well Done Greens

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Reply #34 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:27pm

____ wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 1:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:50pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 10:59am:

Cabinet moves towards Greens' interim carbon tax
Thursday 15th July 2010

The Greens today welcomed reports that Cabinet is actively considering the Greens' proposal of an interim carbon tax but warned Prime Minister Gillard that seeking consensus on climate action only with the big polluters is a recipe for failure.

"Getting a carbon price in the market as soon as possible after the coming election is one of the best ways to build consensus towards real, ambitious climate action," Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, said.

"Once polluters begin to pay for their pollution and Australians see that the sky is not falling in, the scare campaigns will lose their bite and we can move swiftly towards the deep emissions cuts that we need.

http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/cabinet-moves-towards-greens-inter...

Obviously Milne doesnt understand the commonly accepted definition of 'consensus'. typical greenie...

And Greens understand that consensus can be built by leading. For example Greens on lifting Pensioners Out Of Poverty. Originally Liberals voted with Labor and opposed Lifting Pensioners Out Of Poverty ... then Liberals flip flopped and sided with the Greens ... Then Labor caved in.

Consensus was then achieved.

Well Done Greens

Greens do not understand consensus. getting right once - by accident - doesnt count. ETS anyone? their idea of consensus is 'my way or the highway'. so instead, they chose nothing.

anyhow buzz, are you still tipping a labor win?

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Latest Nielsen Poll; TPP : Coalition 52 / ALP 48 Reply #35 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:37pm Baring a monumental stuff up its looking like a shoe in for the Libs. I wonder who Labor will pick as leader of the opposition and will Tony stop using out dated phrases like Fair Dinkum once he is PM..I hope so because its a tad embarrassing
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Latest Nielsen Poll; TPP : Coalition 52 / ALP 48 Reply #36 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:37pm Is anyone in the labor camp still tipping they will win? Gillard's leadership coup has backfired and turned to crap - just like all their policies - and left labor looking like losing worse than if Rudd had remained. Labor incompetence at its finest!
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Reply #37 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:37pm:

Is anyone in the labor camp still tipping they will win? Gillard's leadership coup has backfired and turned to crap - just like all their policies - and left labor looking like losing worse than if Rudd had remained.

Labor incompetence at its finest!

Man it would be fun to drag out all those post 2007 election comments from yahoo and discuss with the labor posters.

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Reply #38 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:42pm

You have to admit it is the most astonishing turnaround in political fortunes Ive ever seen. ONly 8 months ago Libs were looking like losing 20+ seats and now they are looking like winning 25-30 seats! And the old adge is true: oppositions dont win elections, govts LOSE them. And labor is stuffing up everything at the moment. the wheels on the bus of their campaign have fallen off totally and Gillards approval is dropping like a stone along with labor's polls. as recently as 3 weeks ago I thought labor would win by a similar margin to 2007. and barring any amazing policies from either side (oh we wish!) labor is sunk and the first govt in 70+ years to lose after one term.

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Reply #39 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:43pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:37pm:

Is anyone in the labor camp still tipping they will win? Gillard's leadership coup has backfired and turned to crap - just like all their policies - and left labor looking like losing worse than if Rudd had remained.

Labor incompetence at its finest!

Man it would be fun to drag out all those post 2007 election comments from yahoo and discuss with the labor posters.

I'll be happy to drag out one of Buzz's classics from early this year that the Libs were going to be virtually destroyed in a landslide. Thats a classic one!

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nichy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1812 Gender:	Re: Latest Nielsen Poll; TPP : Coalition 52 / ALP 48 Reply #40 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:53pm There are still three weeks to go, much and all as I'd like to think it's cut and dried for the Coalition I'm still keeping my fingers crossed. I can't bear the thought of Julia Gillard as Prime Minister .
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Latest Nielsen Poll; TPP : Coalition 52 / ALP 48 Reply #41 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:55pm The only prediction I made about this election when it was announced was that it was unpredictable. it began with polls suggesting a large swing to labor and now it is a large swing in the opposite direction. Who can tell?
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Reply #42 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:56pm

It will be interesting to see if the Greens can grab the balance of power in the senate.
Big Joe Hockey will always get back in, in my electorate no matter how I vote but I can make my vote count in the Senate.
The missus is a rusted on Lib voter and she's pretty chuffed the Libs are in front and powering along, personally, I like Big Joe and the rest of the "Wets" in the Liberal Party but I cant stand Tony Abbott and the "Drys"

Vote Green in the Senate if you dont want to see public health and public education cut to ribbons

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Reply #43 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 3:02pm

adelcrow wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:56pm:

It will be interesting to see if the Greens can grab the balance of power in the senate.
Big Joe Hockey will always get back in, in my electorate no matter how I vote but I can make my vote count in the Senate.
The missus is a rusted on Lib voter and she's pretty chuffed the Libs are in front and powering along, personally, I like Big Joe and the rest of the "Wets" in the Liberal Party but I cant stand Tony Abbott and the "Drys"

Vote Green in the Senate if you dont want to see public health and public education cut to ribbons

and labor have anything to brag about in either portfolio? in health they have done nothing but shift the funding arrangements around and add a paltry $2B to the mix while spending more than that on insulation! funny priorities that. Labors education history is nothing to brag about either. no changes whatseover in public school funding and a computer rollout that cost 3 times as much as promised to hand out a third of what was planned and taking 3 years to do it. and of course spending nearly $17B to get $5B worth of building that may or may not have actually been needed is not seomthing to be proud of.

Abbott was health minister and while the libs record on health and education were no stellar, labor has nothing better to offer - unless massive waste and incompetence are valued skills nowadays.

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Reply #44 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 3:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:55pm:

The only prediction I made about this election when it was announced was that it was unpredictable. it began with polls suggesting a large swing to labor and now it is a large swing in the opposite direction. Who can tell?

Agreed - and such extraordinary swings are rarely validated in subsequent polls (not least because the preceding poll questions vary from poll to poll)...

BTW methinks that your apparent gloating is both immature and premature...

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