George wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 9:58am:



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MPS of Sydney Posted at 1:50 PM July 23, 2010
Oh please. More of the don't vote for the Greens they can't be trusted and we must stick with Labor or Liberal. It is the same old fear campaign that is trotted out at every election about minor parties. The Democrats used to get a beating every election for on one hand not having any policies and on the other hand only having daft policies. Someone always looking for the most obscure policy and twisting the facts to make it sound like it was their number 1 concern. I'm surprised you didn't trot out the old "they are going to legalise hard drugs argument". You know someone fears you when they say you are irrelevant but can't stop talking about you. For the record it is unlikely that I will be putting number 1 next to the Greens but just wanted to dispute this hypocrisy that comes around every election.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/dangerous-hands-to-be-holding-b...

cockneydoll wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 10:05am:




Yes Liberal and Labor are in bed together


What Liberal and Labor refuse to debate


Climate Change
Afghan Civil War, Why We Are There
The cost of the Afghan Civil War : Life and taxes
The Exit Strategy For Australia Concerning The Afghan Civil War.
Refugees
Renewable Energy
The Economy
Health
Preference Deals
Uranium
Peak Oil
Peak Water
Peak Food

and the list goes on

On most issues Labor and Liberal stand side by side giving Australians No Choice.

Beware Of The Labor/Liberal Secret Coalition.

At the 2004 Senate election in Victoria, the Coalition polled 44.1% (3.1 quotas), Labor 36.1% (2.5 quotas) and the Greens 8.8% (0.6 quotas). The Coalition had a clear three quotas, Labor two full quotas, with Labor and the Greens competing for the final seat seat normally won by the left of politics. Labor's preference deal with minor parties was done to get Labor's third candidate ahead of the lead Green candidate. In the end, Labor's vote was lower than expected, and the preference deal with Family First and other micro-parties put Fielding ahead of the third Labor candidate, resulting in Labor's preferences being distributed instead and electing Steve Fielding. Fielding effectively grabbed one of the left's seats.

In 2010 the circumstances are different. Now it is the Coalition vote likely to fall short of three quotas while Labor plus the Greens will have more than three quotas between them. It is in the interest of both Labor and the Greens to do a tight swap of preferences in the hope that one of them will grab the third seat normally taken by the right of politics. This won't be possible in every state, but if Labor plus the Greens can grab an extra seat in any state, it will have an important impact on the Senate balance of power.

It has to be stressed that this deal won't be responsible for delivering the balance of power to the Greens. Even if the Greens only re-elect their sitting Senators in Tasmania and Western Australia, a re-elected Gillard government would see Labor take seats from the Coalition, and it is the Loss of Coalition Senators elected in 2004 that will pull the Greens Senators into the balance of power. The purpose of the deal is to weaken the Coalition's position beyond what would naturally occur if the Labor government is re-elected.

Of course, if something dramatic happens in the next few weeks and the Coalition wins the election, the Senate position would be different but the Greens still in an important position.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2010/07/green-preferences-at-the-2007-electi...


The Greens WILL hold the balance of power in the Senate
Steve Fielding will be gone - Family First, never to hold a seat in EITHER house again

The Greens are a growing force that the Federal Government (be it Coalition or Labor) will be forced to live and work with

Cabinet moves towards Greens' interim carbon tax
Thursday 15th July 2010

The Greens today welcomed reports that Cabinet is actively considering the Greens' proposal of an interim carbon tax but warned Prime Minister Gillard that seeking consensus on climate action only with the big polluters is a recipe for failure.

"Getting a carbon price in the market as soon as possible after the coming election is one of the best ways to build consensus towards real, ambitious climate action," Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, said.

"Once polluters begin to pay for their pollution and Australians see that the sky is not falling in, the scare campaigns will lose their bite and we can move swiftly towards the deep emissions cuts that we need.


http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/cabinet-moves-towards-greens-inter...

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 10:59am:



Buzz i notice you're posting a lot about the Greens on here, yet you've been VERY quiet about your TRUE LOVE, the ALP, WHY is that?

Is it because you don't want the Ozpolitics members to know your true ALP bias that many witnessed on Yahoo?

LOL.

I think we will see the dirt come out now on Abbott.
Lets see will it be his part in the Pauline Hanson affair.

The interesting thing about this thread is that there are no labor supporters here pronouncing that they will win the election. it is that same feeling that is spreading throughout the comunity and the labor party itself. the wheels on the campaign bus have well and truly fallen off and seemingly NOTHING goes right. Rudd is unable to campaign in QLD to help them but is quite capable of leaking... and the good lead Gillard had 2 weeks ago is now gone. It is an amazing experience to watch a first-term govt self-destruct. 3 weeks to go and Libs are already in a winning position.

Equitist wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:46pm:


It's quite embarrassing to watch you desperately try and paint every poll as bad for Abbott - even ones that have him the clear winner. You might need to get used to the idea of a Tony Abbot PMship through to 2020 and beyond!!