Well if I had the choice of waiting in a detention centre in Timor, or the middle of the bloody desert, I would choose Timor, every time.

The thing about asylum seekers is that the demand outstrips the supply by a very large degree, and the ones who can afford to buy passage on an illegal boat do not necessarily have a greater right or claim to be processed more rapidly than those waiting in refugee centres across asia, so effectively they are buying the privilege of faster processing, which is not right, or moral, on any level.

Personally, I believe that the process centres around the world need to be better supported, so that people will not take to desperate action, but respect the process necessary to relocate them.
Those who decide not to respect that process should be sent to the back of the queue, and be made to.

While I agree that the vilification of refugees is an immoral thing to do, I hardly think comparing processing centres to Nazi death camps reflects fairly on the work that they are trying to do, and the inherent fairness they are trying to embed into the system.

Silly me, I thought this thread was on morals !!!

Not govts , detention centres and the like.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 8:28am:

And maybe to act morally requires an awareness of one's collective/personal history and one's responsibility for its consequences.

Soren wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 11:06am:

Would it be immoral (or perceived to be immoral) for a German government, in order, say, to appease the German people demanding a final solution to the "undesirables" question (e.g. Gypsies without papers), to propose the establishment of a detention centre in Poland to process those detained? Should that German government expect serious international protests over such a proposal?

Would it not be unthinkable for any German government to even consider the idea?

Soren wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 1:35pm:

Would it be immoral (or perceived to be immoral) for a German government, in order, say, to appease the German people demanding an answer to the "undesirables" question (e.g. Gypsies without papers), to propose the establishment of a detention centre in Poland to process those detained? Should that German government expect serious international protests over such a proposal?

Would it not be unthinkable for any German government to even consider the idea?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 2:28pm:

Are you saying members of parliament, when acting in their capacity as politicians, should be exempt from morality?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 2:28pm:

I'm asking the same question... What is interesting, though, is the cowardice of those who won't/can't address the question directly.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 2:23pm:



Helian, you are asking he same question with only slightly different inbuilt biases. If not 'final solution', then 'appease'. 

Is it morally OK for Germany (Der Staat, Das Volk, whatever you want to call it) to refuse hospitality to unidentified persons from any ethnic group? Yes.
Could Germany ask its neighbours,  through whose territories these un-papered persons of any ethnic background travel to Germany, to help contain them? Yes.
So could Germany ask Denmark to help contain them? Yes.
Is Poland another neighbouring country? yes
Do unpapered persons of any ethnic background travel through Poland to Germany? Yes.
Could Germany ask Poland (*gulp*) to help contain them? Yes.



I hope this answers all your questions.