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Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott
Reply #45 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:38pm

Equitist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:19pm:

FFS, some of you guys seem to have serious comprehension issues...

Why did you assume that I was talking about 'relevance' - rather than political maturity and savvy - in the first instance!?

Abbott wants to be PM.
He is trailing badly in the polls.
Women in particular don't much like him.
They think he's immature, petty, divisive &/or erratic.
Some call him a chauvanist.
Others reckon he's a mysoginist.
So, what does he do on national TV!?
He denigrates women in a pre-election debate!?
Great way to win them back over - NOT!!!
Get it!? Got it!? Good!?

(BTW, not referring to you on this, Smithy!)

Where did he "denigrate women in a pre-election debate!?"

Your bias is clouding your judgement

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Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott
Reply #46 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:40pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:32pm:

thy

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Abbott wants to be PM.
He is trailing badly in the polls.
Women in particular don't much like him.
They think he's immature, petty, divisive &/or erratic.
Some call him a chauvanist.
Others reckon he's a mysoginist.
So, what does he do on national TV!?
He denigrates women in a pre-election debate!?
Great way to win them back over - NOT!!!
Get it!? Got it!? Good!?

wadda load of leftard crap.

abbott sploe the truth and answered questions.
the gaunt mare did not and was pulled into line about it OFTEN.

women vote for her, no matter what she says.

LOL...'gaunt mare' - perhaps we should have got with the gender program and called him a 'dick with ears' from the outset!?

Roll Eyes

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Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott
Reply #47 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:42pm

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:38pm:

Equitist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:19pm:

FFS, some of you guys seem to have serious comprehension issues...

Why did you assume that I was talking about 'relevance' - rather than political maturity and savvy - in the first instance!?

Abbott wants to be PM.
He is trailing badly in the polls.
Women in particular don't much like him.
They think he's immature, petty, divisive &/or erratic.
Some call him a chauvanist.
Others reckon he's a mysoginist.
So, what does he do on national TV!?
He denigrates women in a pre-election debate!?
Great way to win them back over - NOT!!!
Get it!? Got it!? Good!?

(BTW, not referring to you on this, Smithy!)

Where did he "denigrate women in a pre-election debate!?"

Your bias is clouding your judgement

LOL...short memory too!?

Go back to my rhetorical statement at 7:33pm, which was the apparent trigger of this gender tangent...

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Cyberman Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 391	Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott Reply #48 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:44pm I prefer that you answer the question Where did he "denigrate women in a pre-election debate!?"
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Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott
Reply #49 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:47pm

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:44pm:

I prefer that you answer the question

Where did he "denigrate women in a pre-election debate!?"

I suggest that we all defer to the transcript for the exact quote - but in his closing statement he made a comment that suggested to the effect that choosing who to vote for should not be based on "gender".

It was an immature and unsavvy comment and he should not have gone there - period!

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Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott
Reply #50 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:54pm

Equitist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:47pm:

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:44pm:

I prefer that you answer the question

Where did he "denigrate women in a pre-election debate!?"

I suggest that we all defer to the transcript for the exact quote - but in his closing statement he made a comment that suggested to the effect that choosing who to vote for should not be based on "gender".

It was an immature and unsavvy comment and he should not have gone there - period!

And as has been pointed out to you numerous times now, it is relevant. Your choice of words such as 'immature' and 'unsavvy' only display your ineptitude or ignorance at the understanding that a female PM will resonate with female voters

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14248 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott Reply #51 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:54pm Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:25pm: Considering the 'worm' has never been kind to Liberals, then 53% should be hailed as a decisive victory To be MORE accurate, it TRADITIONALLY favours the Opposition of the day They have the much easier task - having only to criticise - and not defend
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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott Reply #52 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:56pm Crikey, I just popped over to the ABC web-site and saw this: - Quote: @AndrewRobbMP: I'm told from the worm watchers, JG has a problem with men WTF!?
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Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott
Reply #53 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:57pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:54pm:

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:25pm:

Considering the 'worm' has never been kind to Liberals, then 53% should be hailed as a decisive victory

To be MORE accurate, it TRADITIONALLY favours the Opposition of the day
They have the much easier task - having only to criticise - and not defend

What a coincidence that TRADITIONALLY the opposition has been Labor. Grin

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Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott
Reply #54 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 9:01pm

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:54pm:

Equitist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:47pm:

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:44pm:

I prefer that you answer the question

Where did he "denigrate women in a pre-election debate!?"

I suggest that we all defer to the transcript for the exact quote - but in his closing statement he made a comment that suggested to the effect that choosing who to vote for should not be based on "gender".

It was an immature and unsavvy comment and he should not have gone there - period!

And as has been pointed out to you numerous times now, it is relevant. Your choice of words such as 'immature' and 'unsavvy' only display your ineptitude or ignorance at the understanding that a female PM will resonate with female voters

LOL...how many times do I have to tell you that I never suggested otherwise!?

Go back through this thread, and you will see that I was misrepresented by several posters...

Still, some of you guys don't get it, that: Abbott (he who wants to pretend he is a suitable choice for PM) should have been more careful what he said - and that it was politically stupid, dumb, immatue and foolish for him to specifically attack voters on the basis of gender at the end of an otherwise relatively tame debate...

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Cyberman Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 391	Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott Reply #55 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 9:04pm Quote: and that it was politically stupid, dumb, immatue and foolish for him to specifically attack voters on the basis of gender And once again, I ask you to point out where he "specifically attacks voters on the basis of gender"
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 118763 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott Reply #56 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 9:05pm There was nothing in that debate for me. Julia promised some solar power stations but why didn't Labor do something in the last 3 years? You could see that both were putting on a fake act.
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Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott
Reply #57 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 9:08pm

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:57pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:54pm:

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:25pm:

Considering the 'worm' has never been kind to Liberals, then 53% should be hailed as a decisive victory

To be MORE accurate, it TRADITIONALLY favours the Opposition of the day
They have the much easier task - having only to criticise - and not defend

What a coincidence that TRADITIONALLY the opposition has been Labor. Grin

EXACTLY - and in those debates (where Labor was in Opposition) Labor fared better 'wormwise' as a result

I thought it would have reacted more sympathetically to the CURRENT Leader of the Opposition

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Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott
Reply #58 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 9:22pm

Gillard wins in tight debate
July 25, 2010

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has won the leaders' debate by a narrow margin, according to the Seven Network's ''Polliegraph'' monitoring the audience's reaction.

The ALP won 53 per cent of the vote ahead of the coalition during the one-hour debate, which mostly swung on gender lines.

For the first time, viewers were able to see what men and women thought, with separate graphs judging reaction from both sexes.

A white line reflected the average.

Ms Gillard clearly performed better among women, while Opposition Leader Tony Abbott performed better among men.

When either leader was critical of their opponent, the polliegraph responded negatively.

Ms Gillard sent the men's graph tumbling when she turned negative, while Mr Abbott appeared to offend women during his sledging of the government's policies.

If the

Nine Network's debate worms

were any guide to his election chances, Mr Abbott better get a wriggle on, especially with women.

But Ms Gillard has work to do on climate change and her move against former Labor leader Kevin Rudd.

Nine's worms put Ms Gillard well ahead of Mr Abbott in the final analysis of Sunday night's leaders' debate, with 63 per cent to 37.

Women scored Ms Gillard more highly, giving her a 66-34 win over the opposition leader

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/gillard-wins-in-tight-debate-20100725-...

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Re: Election Debate: Gillard v's Abbott
Reply #59 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 9:26pm

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 9:04pm:

Quote:

and that it was politically stupid, dumb, immatue and foolish for him to specifically attack voters on the basis of gender

And once again, I ask you to point out where he "specifically attacks voters on the basis of gender"

Here, I've highlighted it for you in red
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Equitist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 9:01pm:

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:54pm:

Equitist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:47pm:

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:44pm:

I prefer that you answer the question

Where did he "denigrate women in a pre-election debate!?"

I suggest that we all defer to the transcript for the exact quote - but in his closing statement
he made a comment that suggested to the effect that choosing who to vote for should not be based on "gender".

It was an immature and unsavvy comment and he should not have gone there - period!

And as has been pointed out to you numerous times now, it is relevant. Your choice of words such as 'immature' and 'unsavvy' only display your ineptitude or ignorance at the understanding that a female PM will resonate with female voters

LOL...how many times do I have to tell you that I never suggested otherwise!?

Go back through this thread, and you will see that I was misrepresented by several posters...

Still, some of you guys don't get it, that: Abbott (he who wants to pretend he is a suitable choice for PM) should have been more careful what he said - and that it was politically stupid, dumb, immatue and foolish for him to specifically attack voters on the basis of gender at the end of an otherwise relatively tame debate...

In case you're colour blind, I've also highlighted it for you in blue
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Equitist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 9:01pm:

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:54pm:

Equitist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:47pm:

Cyberman wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 8:44pm:

I prefer that you answer the question

Where did he "denigrate women in a pre-election debate!?"

I suggest that we all defer to the transcript for the exact quote - but in his closing statement
he made a comment that suggested to the effect that choosing who to vote for should not be based on "gender".

It was an immature and unsavvy comment and he should not have gone there - period!

And as has been pointed out to you numerous times now, it is relevant. Your choice of words such as 'immature' and 'unsavvy' only display your ineptitude or ignorance at the understanding that a female PM will resonate with female voters

LOL...how many times do I have to tell you that I never suggested otherwise!?

Go back through this thread, and you will see that I was misrepresented by several posters...

Still, some of you guys don't get it, that: Abbott (he who wants to pretend he is a suitable choice for PM) should have been more careful what he said - and that it was politically stupid, dumb, immatue and foolish for him to specifically attack voters on the basis of gender at the end of an otherwise relatively tame debate...

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