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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #45 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 1:45pm
 
Cyberman wrote on Jul 25th, 2010 at 1:39pm:
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I, LIKE THE MAJORITY OF AUSSIES  believe we need an ETS, and we need it NOW.

I call bullsh1t and so does Labor internal polling

As if you'd know anything about Labor internal polling NOIQ.
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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #46 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 1:49pm
 
I know that this issue is one they are running from like a frightened kangaroo  Wink

Why else has Gillard/Labor stalled and invented the most cynical, transparent and gutless policies ever in the form of a "citizens assembly"- it is laughable
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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #47 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 1:53pm
 
Cyberman wrote on Jul 25th, 2010 at 1:49pm:
I know that this issue is one they are running from like a frightened kangaroo  Wink

Why else has Gillard/Labor stalled and invented the most cynical, transparent and gutless policies ever in the form of a "citizens assembly"- it is laughable

Oh I agree, we need an ETS now,and I'm glad to see I've finally convinced you we need one too, welcome aboard, spermy. Gillard has buggered up by putting it off until the next election.
BUT, at least Labor believe in climate change, Abbott calls climate change"BULLSH1T" .
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Reply #48 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 1:57pm
 
You haven't convinced me nor THE MAJORITY of the need at all.
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Abbott calls climate change"BULLSH1T"

Why do you feel the need to lie?
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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #49 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:01pm
 
Cyberman wrote on Jul 25th, 2010 at 1:57pm:
You haven't convinced me nor THE MAJORITY of the need at all.
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Abbott calls climate change"BULLSH1T"

Why do you feel the need to lie?

I'm not like you I dont lie, Abbott is on record as calling climate change BULLSH!T, you must be the only tard who doesn't know it.
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Reply #50 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:03pm
 
Link, or you lie.

You will have to produce the transcript that Abbott actually said bullshit, or you will forever be labelled as a liar  Wink
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Reply #51 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:08pm
 
You might as well stop your furious googling skippy and start putting out your pants which are on fire.

Remeber, stop, drop and roll...over  Cheesy
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Reply #52 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:11pm
 
A liitle cnfusion perhaps,it was a coilition member who used bullshit but in the context of describing his own parties policy, who I here you ask, well the only one with courage of his convictions of course a MR Turnbull

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/abbotts-climate-change-policy-is-bullshit...

While a shadow minister, Tony Abbott, was never afraid of speaking bluntly in a manner that was at odds with Coalition policy.

So as I am a humble backbencher I am sure he won't complain if I tell a few home truths about the farce that the Coalition's policy, of lack of policy, on climate change has descended into.

First, lets get this straight. You cannot cut emissions without a cost. To replace dirty coal fired power stations with cleaner gas fired ones, or renewables like wind let alone nuclear power or even coal fired power with carbon capture and storage is all going to cost money.
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To get farmers to change the way they manage their land, or plant trees and vegetation all costs money.

Somebody has to pay.

So any suggestion that you can dramatically cut emissions without any cost is, to use a favourite term of Mr Abbott, "bullshit." Moreover he knows it.

The whole argument for an emissions trading scheme as opposed to cutting emissions via a carbon tax or simply by regulation is that it is cheaper - in other words electricity prices will rise by less to achieve the same level of emission reductions.

The term you will see used for this is "least cost abatement".

It is not possible to criticise the new Coalition policy on climate change because it does not exist. Mr Abbott apparently knows what he is against, but not what he is for.

Second, as we are being blunt, the fact is that Tony and the people who put him in his job do not want to do anything about climate change. They do not believe in human caused global warming. As Tony observed on one occasion "climate change is crap" or if you consider his mentor, Senator Minchin, the world is not warming, its cooling and the climate change issue is part of a vast left wing conspiracy to deindustrialise the world.

Now politics is about conviction and a commitment to carry out those convictions. The Liberal Party is currently led by people whose conviction on climate change is that it is "crap" and you don't need to do anything about it. Any policy that is announced will simply be a con, an environmental figleaf to cover a determination to do nothing. After all, as Nick Minchin observed, in his view the majority of the Party Room do not believe in human caused global warming at all. I disagree with that assessment, but many people in the community will be excused for thinking the leadership ballot proved him right.

Remember Nick Minchin's defense of the Howard Government's ETS was that the Government was panicked by the polls and therefore didn't really mean it.

Tony himself has in just four or five months publicly advocated the blocking of the ETS, the passing of the ETS, the amending of the ETS and if the amendments were satisfactory passing it, and now the blocking of it.

His only redeeming virtue in this remarkable lack of conviction is that every time he announced a new position to me he would preface it with "Mate, mate, I know I am a bit of a weather vane on this, but....."

Third, there is a major issue of integrity at stake here and Liberals should reflect very deeply on it. We have an Opposition whose current leadership dismisses the Howard Government's ETS policy as being just a political ploy. We have an Opposition Leader who has in the space of a few months held every possible position on the issue, each one contradicting the position he expressed earlier. And finally we have an Opposition which negotiated amendments to the Rudd Government's ETS, then reached agreement on those amendments and then, a week later, reneged on the agreement.

Many Liberals are rightly dismayed that on this vital issue of climate change we are not simply without a policy, without any prospect of having a credible policy but we are now without integrity. We have given our opponents the irrefutable, undeniable evidence that we cannot be trusted.

Not that anyone would doubt it, but I will be voting for the ETS legislation when it returns in February and if my colleagues have any sense they will do so as well
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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #53 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:13pm
 
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Abbott is on record as calling climate change BULLSH!T,

Then perhaps you should advise skippy to think before he types? He doesn't seem to have got the hang of it
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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #54 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:17pm
 
Pants been extinguished yet skippy?
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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #55 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:19pm
 
[quoteClimate change
Speaking in July 2009, Abbott told the ABC's 7:30 Report that though he thought the science of climate change was "highly contentious" and that he thought that the economics of an ETS was "a bit dodgy", he nevertheless thought that the Opposition should pass the Rudd Government's ETS as he didn't think it would be "a good look for the Opposition to be browner than Howard going into the next election".[79]

At an October 2009 meeting in the Victorian town of Beaufort, Abbott was reported to have said: "The argument (on climate change) is absolute crap... However, the politics of this are tough for us. 80% of people believe climate change is a real and present danger".[80] On 1 December 2009, when questioned about that statement, he said he had used "a bit of hyperbole" at that meeting rather than it being his "considered position".[81]

Speaking in November 2009, prior to being elected Leader of the Opposition, Abbott told the ABC's Lateline program that in relation to Climate Change Policy:

I am always reluctant to join bandwagons] [/quote]

I always thought absolute crap, meant bullsh1t.

But you're right noiq, Abbott said it was absolute crap, Turnbull says that Abbotts policy is BULLSHIT,would you like the link noiq?
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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #56 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:26pm
 
No, you have proven that your are a liar.

That's enough for me
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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #57 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:30pm
 
Cyberman wrote on Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:26pm:
No, you have proven that your are a liar.

That's enough for me
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I'll let other be the judge of that.
Anyone with half a brain knows that by saying something is "absolute crap" is the same as saying it is bullsh1t.suck it up .


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Reply #58 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:36pm
 
Liar liar skip  Grin
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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #59 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 2:47pm
 
again pure fanatsy on the buy food from closer to home???


Almost all farm produce is trucked to a market setup then purchased by large stores and in many instanced trucked right back to the town that grew it.

Most bananas go from Nth Qld to Brisbane then back to Nth Qld. Do some research.


Ok I ask this.

How much money would you spend to cut you living expenses by .4%??

would you change the way you have to do things if it coists you 5% of your income to save that .4%


Thats what it boild down to and given India and China will emitt more in 12 hours than we save in a full year.

Tell me what is the point?????

All I have heard is feel good must be seen to do something, when the actuall benefit from being seen to be doing something at a massive cost gives a net benefit to the climate of .4% which in the schemes of things is nothing.
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