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laborfornever Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 345	Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS Jul 20^th, 2010 at 6:55pm Given that so many people complained on The Gold coast about the councils 10% rate rises which amounted to about $200 or $4 a week Why ar epeople voting for labor when they'll get an ETS which will rip between $50 and $100 a week out of your pocket?? Why do you want an ETS?????
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS Reply #1 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 7:07pm Quite simply Labor4never .. some people are masochists and thus derive pleasure in inflicting punishment upon themselves. Oh and it's great to see you come on board my dear friend
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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #2 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 7:29pm

We don't need an ETS ... we require a price on carbon via either a levy or a market mechanism like an ETS.

We pay for the water we drink and wash in, the food we eat, the rubbish removed from our homes ... yet the old parties think the big polluters that are making billions shouldn't pay for their rubbish.

Why are the old parties expecting everyone to subsidize these polluting businesses through loss of lifestyle, and higher prices for everything?

Don't the old parties have any business sense?

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laborfornever Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 345	Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS Reply #3 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 7:53pm and I ask again, How is reducing our emissions from 1.4% of world total to .9% of world total going to help, when our entire annual savings is emittied by china and India in 11 hours. How many 10s of thousands of jobs will go offshore???
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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #4 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 8:02pm

laborfornever wrote on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 7:53pm:

and I ask again,

How is reducing our emissions from 1.4% of world total to .9% of world total going to help, when our entire annual savings is emittied by china and India in 11 hours.

How many 10s of thousands of jobs will go offshore???

You're a typical fascist hiding behind any and every excuse you can find to not contribute to society!

No one likes your attitude and when you lose the young voters we will all laugh!

Have fun behind that big fence of yours mister scaredy cat!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Reply #5 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 8:06pm

again no answer, just blinly following your party, It was funny all you labor bogans were 100% behind Rudd then he got shafted faster than a virgin blowing his load. But you all supported Rudd, Then the party comes out and says the government was losing its way, but you were supporting that very government that lost its way.

You labor bogans really are thick as 2 short planks, and there unfortunately is no shortage of you bugger dumb cnts

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Reply #6 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 8:13pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 8:02pm:

laborfornever wrote on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 7:53pm:

and I ask again,

How is reducing our emissions from 1.4% of world total to .9% of world total going to help, when our entire annual savings is emittied by china and India in 11 hours.

How many 10s of thousands of jobs will go offshore???

You're a typical fascist hiding behind any and every excuse you can find to not contribute to society!

No one likes your attitude and when you lose the young voters we will all laugh!

Have fun behind that big fence of yours mister scaredy cat!

Gawd!!! Thick doesn't even begin to describe this response. You'll be voting Green, I can see.

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Verge Ex Member Australian Politics Gender:	Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS Reply #7 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 9:08pm Woody, although I agree the big poluters should be paying, the only problem is the big polluters are the big end of town, and the big end of town always make the little guy pay. Our banks still made billions in a global downturn.
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Reply #8 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 9:35pm

We will be paying more if we don't act.

And the higher the rate of reduction, the cheaper it will be for the economy.

Also those suggesting the path of inaction on the bases of our pulling our weight will not make an impact ... what would happen if people stopped paying tax because one person couldn't afford to build a hospital.

pull your finger out and let some air in to that grey matter you sit on.

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Reply #9 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 9:41pm

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 7:29pm:

We don't need an ETS ... we require a price on carbon via either a levy or a market mechanism like an ETS.

We pay for the water we drink and wash in, the food we eat, the rubbish removed from our homes ... yet the old parties think the big polluters that are making billions shouldn't pay for their rubbish.

Why are the old parties expecting everyone to subsidize these polluting businesses through loss of lifestyle, and higher prices for everything?

Don't the old parties have any business sense?

NO we don't need a 'price on carbon'.....we need to develop alternative energy sources.......to replace the 'carbon intensive' enrgy production we currently use...and that is ALL we need...

A price on carbon will simply increase the living costs of families that are already struggling to make ends meet now...

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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #10 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 9:43pm

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 9:35pm:

We will be paying more if we don't act.

And the higher the rate of reduction, the cheaper it will be for the economy.

Also those suggesting the path of inaction on the bases of our pulling our weight will not make an impact ... what would happen if people stopped paying tax because one person couldn't afford to build a hospital.

pull your finger out and let some air in to that grey matter you sit on.

Im suggesting a country who's stock market is still tanked and the global economy is still far from rosy, why risk out economic future now.

We should not be doing anything until we are in a position to do so. A two or three year wait, along with some money from the mining tax kicking in will make it much more affordable.

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Reply #11 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 9:56pm

Australia is about the 15th largest economy ... we are extremely wealthy

Sitting on our hands will let the massive opportunities from getting a head start on the post carbon economy go off to countries like China and India.

Why do you guys want to support the Chinese and Indian economies, while dam the Australian economy.

Also a price on carbon will cause the renewable sector to boom.

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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #12 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 10:56pm

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 9:56pm:

Australia is about the 15th largest economy ... we are extremely wealthy

Sitting on our hands will let the massive opportunities from getting a head start on the post carbon economy go off to countries like China and India.

Why do you guys want to support the Chinese and Indian economies, while dam the Australian economy.

Also a price on carbon will cause the renewable sector to boom.

Green, according to this article it's too late anyway:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/jim-hansen-obama

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=89914

So is there really any point?

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Re: Enlighten me, Why do you want an ETS
Reply #13 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 11:01pm

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 9:56pm:

Australia is about the 15th largest economy ... we are extremely wealthy

Sitting on our hands will let the massive opportunities from getting a head start on the post carbon economy go off to countries like China and India.

Why do you guys want to support the Chinese and Indian economies, while dam the Australian economy.

Also a price on carbon will cause the renewable sector to boom.

More hyperbole from someone who does not understand the global market nor economies of scale

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Reply #14 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 8:27am

Cyberman wrote on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 11:01pm:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 9:56pm:

Australia is about the 15th largest economy ... we are extremely wealthy

Sitting on our hands will let the massive opportunities from getting a head start on the post carbon economy go off to countries like China and India.

Why do you guys want to support the Chinese and Indian economies, while dam the Australian economy.

Also a price on carbon will cause the renewable sector to boom.

More hyperbole from someone who does not understand the global market nor economies of scale

bugger of IQSRLOW, you're banned from here, why havn't the mods banned you again?As for the rest of your sh1t, without changes there wont be a world economy, why are rightards so stupid that they only think about what goes into their pocket today? why do Liberal supporters hate kids? why dont you want this next generation of kids to have the same chance you got? inbred tard.

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