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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7408 Sydney Gender:	Re: Where mud sticks: election spin, slogans & shy Reply #15 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 7:26pm if we added the phrase 'excepting under unprecedented worldwide financial chaos' then the statement is undeniably true." by lwe. ---- But, he didn't...
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Re: Where mud sticks: election spin, slogans & shy
Reply #16 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 7:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2010 at 6:02pm:

||"Why should people trust Labor's 2010 promises when you couldn't trust their 2007 promises."||

why is that a silly statement? even a partisan labor supporter would accept that promises were not kept after the alst election.

Essentially, Labor are asking for another three years to make up for the last 3.

I'm going to give Tony a go.

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Reply #17 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 7:34pm

Lobo wrote on Jul 18^th, 2010 at 7:26pm:

if we added the phrase 'excepting under unprecedented worldwide financial chaos' then the statement is undeniably true."

by lwe.
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But, he didn't...

well with the SINGLE exception of the GFC, it remains an indisputable fact. getting low rates ONCE and requiring a near worldwide dpression to acheive is hardly something to get excited by. let';s see them get record low rates AND a booming economy all at the same time as Howard did.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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vegitamite Ex Member	Re: Where mud sticks: election spin, slogans & shy Reply #18 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 8:14pm Hey, Ive got some NEW slogans pinched from another site... Keep Australia Pest-free-------------- -------HELP BUILD THE ABBOTT-PROOF FENCE "Cremate AbbottChoices”. Or “Avoid Bad Abbotts – vote Labor
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Marxist New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7 home Gender:	Re: Where mud sticks: election spin, slogans & shy Reply #19 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 8:39pm [quote]"Why should people trust Julia Gillard, when even Kevin Rudd couldn't"[/quote] I could not believe I heard him say this, makes you wonder why people would trust Tont Abbott when clearly Mal Turnbull couldn't.
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Re: Where mud sticks: election spin, slogans & shy
Reply #20 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 8:41pm

[quote author=Jeff_Smith link=1279437237/15#19 date=1279449553][quote]"Why should people trust Julia Gillard, when even Kevin Rudd couldn't"[/quote]

I could not believe I heard him say this, makes you wonder why people would trust Tont Abbott when clearly Mal Turnbull couldn't.[/quote]

Youarent going to seriously compare the knifing of a popular PM to the change of an unpopular OPPOSITION leader??

yes, you probably wuld!

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Marxist New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7 home Gender:	Re: Where mud sticks: election spin, slogans & shy Reply #21 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 8:55pm [quote]Youarent going to seriously compare the knifing of a popular PM to the change of an unpopular OPPOSITION leader?? yes, you probably wuld![/quote] The point is you dont throw mud at someone for doing the same thing you have done yourself. Isnt that called hypocracy.
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Reply #22 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 8:57pm

[quote author=Jeff_Smith link=1279437237/15#21 date=1279450520][quote]Youarent going to seriously compare the knifing of a popular PM to the change of an unpopular OPPOSITION leader??

yes, you probably wuld![/quote]

The point is you dont throw mud at someone for doing the same thing you have done yourself.

Isnt that called hypocracy.

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it woudl be if it WAS the same thing. But it wasnt. the position of PM is lightyears more important than opposition leader and it is a position that is defacto chosen by teh voters. it was a serious breach of trust.

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Reply #23 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 9:17pm

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1279437237/15#22 date=1279450627][quote author=Jeff_Smith link=1279437237/15#21 date=1279450520][quote]Youarent going to seriously compare the knifing of a popular PM to the change of an unpopular OPPOSITION leader??

yes, you probably wuld![/quote]

The point is you dont throw mud at someone for doing the same thing you have done yourself.

Isnt that called hypocracy.

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it woudl be if it WAS the same thing. But it wasnt. the position of PM is lightyears more important than opposition leader and it is a position that is defacto chosen by teh voters. it was a serious breach of trust.[/quote]

Bollox! As per usual, the majority of the electorate voted for a party - in this case for Labor because the other major party was very much on the nose!

Besides, at the last election, it was clear to the electorate that Howard would not continue leading the party for long - regardless of whether or not his party lost...

That said, the Libs remain out of touch and on the nose - not least because they have blown the trust of much of the electorate by giving a divisive bigot like Abbott the head job...

The electorate will vote accordingly!

Meantime, Rudd was axed from within because he was not a team player - a point which most right whingers were at pains to point out, at every opportunity, and right up until the moment of his demise...

Again, the electorate will vote accordingly!

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Where mud sticks: election spin, slogans & shy Reply #24 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 9:28pm PS Of the small proportion of the electorate who are 'swinging voters' - what proportion of them would prefer: - 1. Rudd over Gillard? 2. Abbott over Gillard? I'm guessing that, the correct answer to both questions would be 'very few'!
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shampain socialist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1004	Re: Where mud sticks: election spin, slogans & shy Reply #25 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 9:32pm small proportion?! It's around 10 to 15% of the electorate by the look of it in past elections. I'm a swinging voter and I'd prefer Abbott over Rudd or Gillard. Doesn't necessarily mean I'll vote for him though.
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Re: Where mud sticks: election spin, slogans & shy
Reply #26 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 9:54pm

Crikey, I just saw the Libs' latest election ad...

Dunno if I was more struck by its petty divisiveness or its lameness - or the inherent contradiction between the two!?

I doubt that the boring soundtrack would cause anybody to 'stand up' - unless they felt compelled to take the action of finding something to toss in the direction of the idiot box...

For anyone who hasn't seen it, check it and other Lib propaganda out over here: -

http://www.liberal.org.au/Liberal-TV.aspx

What were their marketeers thinking!?

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Posts: 7062 Gender:	Re: Where mud sticks: election spin, slogans & shy Reply #27 - Jul 19^th, 2010 at 10:09am Thy, both the Labor and Liberal election ads are cheese. Gillard looks stiff - I thought she did much better on 60 Minutes last night than in the ad.
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Reply #28 - Jul 19^th, 2010 at 10:18am

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it woudl be if it WAS the same thing. But it wasnt. the position of PM is lightyears more important than opposition leader and it is a position that is defacto chosen by teh voters. it was a serious breach of trust.

what a load of bullsh1t.
The party choose the leader always have, the party dumped Menzies when PM, the party dumped Gorton when PM, the party chose McMahon without going to the people, the party chose Holt without going to the people, you notice anything yet? all conservative PMs, hypocrites.

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Re: Where mud sticks: election spin, slogans & shy
Reply #29 - Jul 19^th, 2010 at 10:21am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2010 at 10:09am:

Thy, both the Labor and Liberal election ads are cheese. Gillard looks stiff - I thought she did much better on 60 Minutes last night than in the ad.

Thankfully, Annie, I have to take your word for that - as I haven't had the misfortune of seeing any of the Lab ads - yet...

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