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Reply #975 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 8:33pm
 
I have addressed your points, such as they were, in considerable detail.



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Reply #976 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 8:42pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 8:33pm:
I have addressed your points, such as they were, in considerable detail.


You are a blustering buffoon - dismissed.

PS Scruton, he's your daddy isn't he?
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Reply #977 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 8:58pm
 
Grey wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 8:28pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 7:16pm:
Grey wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 5:33pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 5:13pm:
Scrotum??  Is this your anarchist, creative wit? Am I going to discuss art with a fvckwit like you? No. I'm afraid you are too stupid to condescend to.


Blown out of the water huh, run along then.  Grin



Her's another snippet that smacks you right betwen the eyes, moron, and once again you can't pretend you don't understand it.

But pretend you will. You can't help being yourself.

http://vimeo.com/30375271



There was always something familiar and intriguing about this character who invariably and pompously opens his mouth with "Roger Scruton, writer and philospher". Of course Roger 'pseuds corner' Scruton has earned considerable attention, for all the wrong reasons.

Quote:
Beware your smugness will find you out, Mr Scruton


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/jan/27/uk.observerpolitics  


Quote:
Roger Scruton high priest of the libertarian right defrocked and exposed as 'grimy hack' for tobacco industry


Notes
[1] [Added 29 April 2002] It has been pointed out (by academic Andrew Roberts) that Roger Scruton is actually an authoritarian conservative rather than a libertarian.  We apologise for any confusion.

http://www.ash.org.uk/media-room/press-releases/roger-scruton-high-priest-of-the...  


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So much for the pleasures of the flesh -Roger Scruton's timely book argues that human reason is essential for appreciating beauty. Wrong, argues Sebastian Smee.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/mar/21/beauty-roger-scruton-art-books


I think this forum is for an exchange between members Soren. But as you have studiously avoided addressing any of the points I've raised and insist on thrusting the dreary conservative Scruton at me I can only summon the energy to reply in kind.


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Let's look at the COMPLETE story Mr Grey:


Your paper has made itself judge and prosecutor in the case of Scruton and tobacco (Scruton in media plot to push cigarettes, January 24). Allow me to present the case for the defence. My wife and I have a company devoted to public affairs, the aim of which is to help clients to find the language appropriate to their concerns and to promote debate of those concerns in the media. Japan Tobacco International has been our client for the last three years. We have advised JTI on language and arguments and arranged debates, seminars and conferences on risk and freedom, with their declared sponsorship.

We have also published Risk of Freedom Briefing, circulated to journalists (including some on the Guardian) the purpose of which is to stimulate debate. This carries my name as editor and JTI's name as sponsor. We have never concealed the relationship, but have tried to make clear we are related to our client not as advocates but as advisers.

The document to which you refer was a proposal for 2002; it should be understood in the above context. We were hoping to encourage debate. Our proposal was not taken up, and our work for JTI continues as before. This can be made to look like a scandal only because the private document was not phrased as carefully as it would have been, had it been intended for public discussion. The real scandal is that it should have been stolen and used as part of your "shut up Scruton" campaign.

Of course, this defence comes too late. Your campaign has been successful and the FT has ceased to employ me. But as you note, I have never written about tobacco in my column, nor ever intended to.

Roger Scruton
Brinkworth, Wilts
shf@easynet.co.uk


(The Guardian, Monday 28 January 2002 01.33 GMT)

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Reply #978 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 8:59pm
 
Grey wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 8:28pm:
There was always something familiar and intriguing about this character who invariably and pompously opens his mouth with "Roger Scruton, writer and philospher". Of course Roger 'pseuds corner' Scruton has earned considerable attention, for all the wrong reasons



If you weren't the compleat, self-trained moron that you are, you would have easily seen that the clip is part  of a larger program by classic fm and that every person interviewed intruduced himself just like that.

But once again you have succeeded in both illustrating what an idiot you are and also caricaturing the idiot class that you proudly represent.

As for the Granuiad references, what can I say? Q&A, Granuiad, pop music, look at moi anarchist pretensions - quite the collection of the pathologies of your type.



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Reply #979 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:03pm
 
http://www.rogerscruton.com/about/rs-cv.html

Curriculum Vitae - Roger Scruton

Roger Scruton is currently Research Professor for the Institute for the Psychological Sciences where he teaches philosophy at their graduate school in both Washington and Oxford.

He is a writer, philosopher and public commentator. He has specialised in aesthetics with particular attention to music and architecture. He engages in contemporary political and cultural debates from the standpoint of a conservative thinker and is well known as a powerful polemicist.  He has written widely in the press on political and cultural issues.

Roger Scruton's most recent books are England: an Elegy (Conitnuum, Books, 2000), an attempt to give identity to the idea of England and a tribute to its values and institutions; Death-Devoted Heart: Sex and the Sacred in Wagner's Tristan and Isolde (Oxford University Press, 2003), an analysis of the musical and spiritual meaning of Wagner's work; News from Somewhere: On Settling (Continuum Books, 2003), an evocative account of the author's attempt to put down roots in rural Wiltshire; A Political Philosophy (Continuum Books, 2006), a thoughtful response to the development and decline of western civilization, The West and the Rest (ISI Books, 2001), an analysis of the values held by the 'West' and how they are distinct from those held by other cultures. Gentle Regrets (Continuum, 2006) and On Hunting (Random House, 1998) are two autobiographical works. 2007 sees the publication of Culture Counts: Faith and Healing in a World beseiged (Encounter Books 2007) and a third edition of A Dictionary of Political Thought (Palgrave Macmillan, 2007) which provides a concise and comprehensive collection of definitions for political thought and processes.
Education:

   High Wycombe Royal Grammar School, 1954-1961
   Jesus College Cambridge: 1962-65 and 1967-1969
   Inner Temple, London: 1974-76.

Degrees and diplomas:

   B.A. Cambridge 1965 in Moral Sciences (=Philosophy), double first.
   M.A. Cambridge 1967.
   Ph. D. Cambridge, in philosophy, with thesis on aesthetics, 1972.
   Bar Part 1, Inns of Court, London, 1975 (Struben Prize, Profumo Prize, second in order of merit).
   Bar Part 2, Inns of Court, London 1976 (called to the Bar 1978).

Honorary Degrees:

   Honorary Doctorate, Adelphi University, New York, 1995
   Honorary Doctorate, Masaryk University, Brno, 1997

Other Honours:

   Academic Medal, University of Helsinki, 1989
   Fellow, European Academy of Arts and Sciences, 1995
   lst June Prize, City of Plzen, 1996
   Medal for Merit, First Class, Czech Republic, 2000
   Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature, 2003.
   Ingersoll-Weaver Prize for Scholarly Letters, 2004.

Academic Career:

   Research Fellow, Peterhouse, Cambridge, 1969-71.
   Lecturer, subsequently Reader and Professor of Aesthetics, Dept. of Philosophy, Birkbeck College, London, 1971-1992
   Professor of Philosophy and University Professor, Boston University, 1992-95.
   Research Professor, Institute for the Psychological Sciences (2005 onwards)

Business career:

   Founder and Director of Claridge Press Ltd., 1987 - 2004.
   Co-founder and director of Central European Consulting Ltd, 1989 - 2004. (Small firm of Government Relations consultants, with offices in Warsaw, Prague, Bratislava, Budapest, Bucharest and Kiev.)
   Co-founder of, and consultant for, Horsell's Farm Enterprises, public affairs consultancy and diversified farm 1999 - present.

Journalism

   Freelance writer and journalist, starting in 1974 or thereabouts.
   Editor of The Salisbury Review, 1982-2001.

Voluntary Work:

   Co-founder and trustee of The Jan Hus Educational Foundation, working now in the Czech Republic and Slovakia. (1980- present)
   Co-founder and trustee of the Jagiellonian Trust, working in Poland and Hungary (now defunct, since no longer needed). (1982-89)
   Founder and trustee of the Anglo-Lebanese Cultural Association,  working for reconciliation between the Lebanese sects (now defunct, on account of Syrian & Hizbullahi occupation).  (1987-95)
   Board member of the Civic Institute in Prague. (1990-present).

Publications:

   Art and Imagination (1974)
   The Aesthetics of Architecture (1979)
   The Meaning of Conservatism (1980, second edition 1984, 3rd edn. 2000)
   The Politics of Culture and Other Essays (1981)
   Fortnight's Anger (a novel) (1981)
   A Short History of Modern Philosophy (1982, second edition 1995, 3rd edn. 2001)
   A Dictionary of Political Thought (1982, second edition 1996, third edition   2007)
   The Aesthetic Understanding (1983, new edition 1997)
   Kant (1983, new edn., 2001)
   Untimely Tracts (1985)
   Thinkers of the New Left (1986)
   Sexual Desire (1986)
   Spinoza (1987, new edn. 2002)
   A Land Held Hostage (Lebanon and the West) (1987)
   The Philosopher on Dover Beach and other essays (1989)
   Francesca (a novel) (1991)
   A Dove Descending and other stories (1991)
   Xanthippic Dialogues (1993)
   Modern Philosophy (1994)
   The Classical Vernacular: architectural principles in an age of nihilism            (1995)
   Animal Rights and Wrongs (1996, third edn. 2000)
   An Intelligent Person's Guide to Philosophy (1996)
   The Aesthetics of Music (1997)
   On Hunting (1998)
   An Intelligent Person's Guide to Modern Culture (1998, new edn. 2000)
   Spinoza
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Reply #980 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:24pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 8:58pm:
Grey wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 8:28pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 7:16pm:
Grey wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 5:33pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 5:13pm:
Scrotum??  Is this your anarchist, creative wit? Am I going to discuss art with a fvckwit like you? No. I'm afraid you are too stupid to condescend to.


Blown out of the water huh, run along then.  Grin



Her's another snippet that smacks you right betwen the eyes, moron, and once again you can't pretend you don't understand it.

But pretend you will. You can't help being yourself.

http://vimeo.com/30375271



There was always something familiar and intriguing about this character who invariably and pompously opens his mouth with "Roger Scruton, writer and philospher". Of course Roger 'pseuds corner' Scruton has earned considerable attention, for all the wrong reasons.

Quote:
Beware your smugness will find you out, Mr Scruton


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/jan/27/uk.observerpolitics  


Quote:
Roger Scruton high priest of the libertarian right defrocked and exposed as 'grimy hack' for tobacco industry


Notes
[1] [Added 29 April 2002] It has been pointed out (by academic Andrew Roberts) that Roger Scruton is actually an authoritarian conservative rather than a libertarian.  We apologise for any confusion.

http://www.ash.org.uk/media-room/press-releases/roger-scruton-high-priest-of-the...  


Quote:
So much for the pleasures of the flesh -Roger Scruton's timely book argues that human reason is essential for appreciating beauty. Wrong, argues Sebastian Smee.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/mar/21/beauty-roger-scruton-art-books


I think this forum is for an exchange between members Soren. But as you have studiously avoided addressing any of the points I've raised and insist on thrusting the dreary conservative Scruton at me I can only summon the energy to reply in kind.


----------------------------------------------------

Let's look at the COMPLETE story Mr Grey:


Your paper has made itself judge and prosecutor in the case of Scruton and tobacco (Scruton in media plot to push cigarettes, January 24). Allow me to present the case for the defence. My wife and I have a company devoted to public affairs, the aim of which is to help clients to find the language appropriate to their concerns and to promote debate of those concerns in the media. Japan Tobacco International has been our client for the last three years. We have advised JTI on language and arguments and arranged debates, seminars and conferences on risk and freedom, with their declared sponsorship.

We have also published Risk of Freedom Briefing, circulated to journalists (including some on the Guardian) the purpose of which is to stimulate debate. This carries my name as editor and JTI's name as sponsor. We have never concealed the relationship, but have tried to make clear we are related to our client not as advocates but as advisers.

The document to which you refer was a proposal for 2002; it should be understood in the above context. We were hoping to encourage debate. Our proposal was not taken up, and our work for JTI continues as before. This can be made to look like a scandal only because the private document was not phrased as carefully as it would have been, had it been intended for public discussion. The real scandal is that it should have been stolen and used as part of your "shut up Scruton" campaign.

Of course, this defence comes too late. Your campaign has been successful and the FT has ceased to employ me. But as you note, I have never written about tobacco in my column, nor ever intended to.

Roger Scruton
Brinkworth, Wilts
shf@easynet.co.uk


(The Guardian, Monday 28 January 2002 01.33 GMT)

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Oh yes, what ASH refer to as Scruton's whining letter. Let's look at what he actually said he could do in discussions with JT. when negotiating a fee.

http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_795.pdf

Freelance articles guaranteed to go into influential magazines and papers with no disclosure of pecuniary interest.
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Reply #981 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:29pm
 
Grey .. did you carefully read what was in YOUR last link??

Take another CLOSER look.


Also .. did you read this portion from MY last post?

This can be made to look like a scandal only because the private document was not phrased as carefully as it would have been, had it been intended for public discussion. The real scandal is that it should have been stolen and used as part of your "shut up Scruton" campaign.

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Reply #982 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:39pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:29pm:
Grey .. did you carefully read what was in YOUR last link??

Take another CLOSER look.


Also .. did you read this portion from MY last post?

This can be made to look like a scandal only because the private document was not phrased as carefully as it would have been, had it been intended for public discussion. The real scandal is that it should have been stolen and used as part of your "shut up Scruton" campaign.



It was the phrase 'occasionally brilliant, often mad' that caught your attention was it Lisa?
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Reply #983 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:47pm
 
Grey wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:39pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:29pm:
Grey .. did you carefully read what was in YOUR last link??

Take another CLOSER look.


Also .. did you read this portion from MY last post?

This can be made to look like a scandal only because the private document was not phrased as carefully as it would have been, had it been intended for public discussion. The real scandal is that it should have been stolen and used as part of your "shut up Scruton" campaign.



It was the phrase 'occasionally brilliant, often mad' that caught your attention was it Lisa?


The clear admission that Scruton was NEITHER a shyster NOR a shark didn't catch your eye Mr Grey? Hmmm?

Nor did the fact that the private document in question .. which was issued by his WIFE.. was actually STOLEN and subsequently MISUSED??

One other thing .. you're somewhat silent about Scruton's comprehensive credentials which I posted for all to see (refer to my VERY long post above @ 9:03pm).
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Reply #984 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 10:41pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:47pm:
Grey wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:39pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 9:29pm:
Grey .. did you carefully read what was in YOUR last link??

Take another CLOSER look.


Also .. did you read this portion from MY last post?

This can be made to look like a scandal only because the private document was not phrased as carefully as it would have been, had it been intended for public discussion. The real scandal is that it should have been stolen and used as part of your "shut up Scruton" campaign.



It was the phrase 'occasionally brilliant, often mad' that caught your attention was it Lisa?


The clear admission that Scruton was NEITHER a shyster NOR a shark didn't catch your eye Mr Grey? Hmmm?

Nor did the fact that the private document in question .. which was issued by his WIFE.. was actually STOLEN and subsequently MISUSED??

One other thing .. you're somewhat silent about Scruton's comprehensive credentials which I posted for all to see (refer to my VERY long post above @ 9:03pm).


Well to Japan Tobacco he wasn't a shyster or shark. But to the media outlets he was placing 'articles' that were paid for advertorials he plainly was. Anybody of Scrotums age has a long CV.
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Reply #985 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 11:02pm
 

We're just going round in circles now.

How about we get back to playing some music.
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Reply #987 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 9:02am
 
Really enjoyed Lax Drummerette posted by DRAH the other day.

Those Yamaha Maple kits sound awsome and the girl can play.

Havnt caught up on a lot of the more recent but sure it will be great.
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Reply #988 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 7:13pm
 
Mind and body - the great Bartolli.

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Reply #989 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 7:19pm
 


Andrea Bocelli & Sarah Brightman - Time To Say Goodbye


Isn't this beautiful?
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