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Reply #15 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 1:45pm
 
Thankyou.

I think he is being antagonistic
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Reply #16 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 8:00pm
 
cockneydoll wrote on Jul 23rd, 2010 at 11:03am:
What's not to understand.. if you really want to that is?

Yes Arabs are Semites, but antisemitic does not mean anti-Arab. Thats' pretty clear.

While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"), and that has been its normal use since then

If you cannot understand that.........well !!




Listen cockneydolla I have respect for you, unlike for this moron Soren who is hopelessly useless..
As a result of that let’s communicate on mutual respect level without playing a smart arse.
If you are anti-German it means you are in general against Germans not only against southern or northern Germans (you generally dislike Germans, or generally hate Germans etc). Also the same is with anti-gay, anti-Muslim and so on.
What I want to tell you is that the term anti-Semite is not logical and should be replaced with more appropriate and meaningful word to reflect it’s specific meaning.
The fact is that Arabs and Jews are both Semite or Semitic race.
And than you tell me that Arabs are anti-Semite and orthodox Jews are also anti-Semite.
In other words you are telling me that both Arabs and Orthodox Jews hate themselves because they disagree with Zionist Jews????????.
Comeooooooooooooooooooooon!
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Reply #17 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 8:06pm
 
athos wrote on Jul 23rd, 2010 at 8:00pm:
cockneydoll wrote on Jul 23rd, 2010 at 11:03am:
What's not to understand.. if you really want to that is?

Yes Arabs are Semites, but antisemitic does not mean anti-Arab. Thats' pretty clear.

While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"), and that has been its normal use since then

If you cannot understand that.........well !!




Listen cockneydolla I have respect for you, unlike for this moron Soren.
As a result of that let’s communicate on mutual respect level without playing a smart arse.
If you are anti-German it means you are in general against Germans not only against southern or northern Germans (you generally dislike Germans, or generally hate Germans etc). Also the same is with anti-gay, anti-Muslim and so on.
What I want to tell you is that the term anti-Semite is not logical and should be replaced with more appropriate and meaningful word to reflect it’s specific meaning.
The fact is that Arabs and Jews are both Semite or Semitic race.
And than you tell me that Arabs are anti-Semite and orthodox Jews are also anti-Semite.
In other words you are telling me that both Arabs and Orthodox Jews hate themselves because they disagree with Zionist Jews????????.
Comeooooooooooooooooooooon!



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Reply #18 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 10:03pm
 
Athos.........

You really are wearing my patience thin with your obstinacy to see the reasoning.
Below is the explanation of antisemitism 5 different sources.





While the history of word might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"), and that has been its normal use since then

One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews.

An attitude or policy of hatred and hostility toward Jewish people

1.      Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.
2.      Discrimination against Jews.
Antisemitism might strictly be used to refer to hatred of or hostility towards any member of the racial group "Semites," but in practice it is only used to refer to hatred of or hostility towards Jews and Judaism. The term was first seen in 1879 in Germany as part of a description of anti-Jewish political campaigns in central Europe. Many attribute the origin of the word to Wilhlem Marr, but it is not clear that he used the word in print before 1880.
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Reply #19 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 10:36pm
 
athos wrote on Jul 23rd, 2010 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 8:16pm:
I think you are confusing them with the anti-semitic jews sect.


I agree it’s very confusing.
I can understand that Germans and others can be anti-Semite but how come Arabs who are Semite or even Jews are also anti-Semite.
I agree it’s very confusing.
I can understand that Germans and others can be anti-Semite but how come Arabs who are Semite or even Jews are also anti-Semite.
It does not mean if you are a Semitic race you must be a Jew. It doesn’t even mean if you are a Jew that you automatically belong to Judaism, there are also Christian Jews.
It seams it goes down to personal level, like who ever disagree with you as a Zionist Jew he is an anti-Semite.





I agree with your first point, but not your second.
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Reply #20 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 12:18pm
 
cockneydoll wrote on Jul 23rd, 2010 at 10:03pm:
Athos.........

You really are wearing my patience thin with your obstinacy to see the reasoning.
Below is the explanation of antisemitism 5 different sources.

While the history of word might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"), and that has been its normal use since then

One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews.

An attitude or policy of hatred and hostility toward Jewish people

1.      Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.
2.      Discrimination against Jews.
Antisemitism might strictly be used to refer to hatred of or hostility towards any member of the racial group "Semites," but in practice it is only used to refer to hatred of or hostility towards Jews and Judaism. The term was first seen in 1879 in Germany as part of a description of anti-Jewish political campaigns in central Europe. Many attribute the origin of the word to Wilhlem Marr, but it is not clear that he used the word in print before 1880.


Listen cockneydoll I don’t want you to think that I dislike Jewish people or something.
On the contrary I have great respect for their bravery, responsibility and loyalty to their tribal members, intelligence and historical tradition.
I also very appreciate your explanation as a possibly established a convention about the word anti-Semitism.
But my point is that there is obvious possibility of being caught in a trap of illogic by using this term in take for granted manner.
Or if we used the most dominant way of logical thinking called Aristotle's syllogism (two statements one conclusion) than it would be:

1. First statement
Antisemite is someone who hates Jews (adopted convention)

Second statement
2. Orthodox Jews are antisemites ( As you've stated)

Conclusion:
Orthodox Jews hate themselves

????????????????????????????????????
Something is not right.



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Soren I don't want to hear from you and other disrespectful brainy Morons here, because you piss me off with your empty smart arse comments.

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Reply #21 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 1:10pm
 
Excuse me......where did I say that othodox Jews are antisemites.?

Why can't you understand and ACCEPT the fact of the accepted term of  "antisemitism" has been in use nowsince 1879
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Reply #22 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 4:26pm
 
Because he is a thick bugger, only looking for an excuse to say how everything is the Zionist Jews' fault - no, wait, Israel's fault - no, wait, that's tright, the jews' fault.

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Reply #23 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 5:19pm
 
The standard of the debate on this subject debases everyone who is prepared to take part, or even read it like myself
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Reply #24 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 6:15pm
 
Looking in the mirror talking to ourself..are we hawil???
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Reply #25 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 8:59pm
 
cockneydoll wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 6:15pm:
Looking in the mirror talking to ourself..are we hawil???


Listen mate you are a big disappointment. You act like typical dishonored man. You are proof that ignorance and arrogance are twins that always walk together.
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Reply #26 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 9:04pm
 
hawil wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 5:19pm:
The standard of the debate on this subject debases everyone who is prepared to take part, or even read it like myself


You fat empty body have right to talk about some standards?
Because of Moronic zombies like you and Soren great Australians like Jeffrey Smart or Robert Hughes had to go to exile.
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Reply #27 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 9:23pm
 
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Don't be so damned rude
ATHOS





If you bothered to read... the post wasn't addressed to you, unless you have multi IDs




It was addressed to
hawil




Now you can apologise, after you have shown yourself up for what you are.
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Reply #28 - Jul 25th, 2010 at 10:46am
 
athos wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 9:04pm:
hawil wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 5:19pm:
The standard of the debate on this subject debases everyone who is prepared to take part, or even read it like myself


You fat empty body have right to talk about some standards?
Because of Moronic zombies like you and Soren great Australians like Jeffrey Smart or Robert Hughes had to go to exile.


Who?
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Reply #29 - Jul 28th, 2010 at 2:24pm
 
Orthodox Jews in Israel only number around 500 people, and they certainly do not speak for the Israeli's.
They are extremists, however as far as I know they haven't blown anyone up yet to get their point across.
There has been extremism in many of the worlds religions, and this is an example of one more.
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