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Reply #105 - Aug 8th, 2010 at 5:52pm
 
why not debunk the facts i have presented?

do you deny these things?
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Reply #106 - Aug 8th, 2010 at 6:46pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 8th, 2010 at 5:52pm:
why not debunk the facts i have presented?

do you deny these things?


Because the'facts you have presented' are absolute bullshit..

And YES I deny all these things....
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Reply #107 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 2:17pm
 
athos wrote on Aug 8th, 2010 at 1:58pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 8th, 2010 at 1:50pm:
athos wrote on Aug 8th, 2010 at 1:48pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 7th, 2010 at 4:06pm:
athos wrote on Aug 7th, 2010 at 3:14pm:
cockneydoll wrote on Aug 5th, 2010 at 6:16pm:
Athos you are just one stirrer..mate

The people to which chicken is referring are the Neturei Karta, who are complete nut cases and have developed there own "brand" of Judaism.

There are thousands that are ultra orthodox, but none hold radical ideas like the Neturei Karta, who in many ways don't even resemble Judaism


Does it mean that Zionism is only right Judaism?



See?? Even you don't quite know what you are talking about.

(Don't be afraid of the definite article, you Russian friend of the joooooz, you. It should be ...Zionism is the only...)


As I quoted you before:

“Ignorance and arrogance are twins they like to walk together”
Lao Tzu

Only in your case we don’t know if you are arrogant because you are ignorant or ignorant because you were born arrogant.
So don’t be arrogant because it can harm you and secondly this my question has nothing to do with Russians.

In line with this topic I can modify and repeate my question in different form:

Does it mean that Zionism is  more important and older than Judaism?



NO athos, Zionism is much much newer than Judaism....
Judaism is 3500+years old and Zionism dates from 1897.....


So traditional law of Judaism is more important than Zionism. Right?


I doubt it, the rule of law is defined by individual nations today, not by religion unless you are referring to extremism which has affected some religions today.
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Reply #108 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 10:04am
 
There is something almost flattering about anti-Jewish racism. To have been confined in the ghetto for so long, and then to be held responsible for Marx, Freud, and Einstein, to say nothing of Rothschild. Yet the outcome is always the same: to be treated as human refuse and to be either deported or massacred. Jean-Paul Sartre's essay profiling the anti-Semite has many shortcomings, but it's hard to argue with his conclusion that such a person must necessarily carry a thirst for murder in his heart. Yet this is perhaps true of other racists as well. What strikes the eye about anti-Semitism is the godfather role it plays as the organizing principle of other bigotries.

http://www.theatlantic.com/video/archive/2010/08/christopher-hitchens-in-convers...
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Reply #109 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 8:44pm
 
The only unique thing about so called anti-Jewish racism is the number of half wits who confuse it with criticism of the state of Israel.
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Reply #110 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 8:52pm
 
You mean, most Jews?

Accusation of anti-Semitic is a defense mechanism used to deflect criticism of Jews in the same way that accusation of "racist" is used to deflect criticism of other minorities.

The only way the Muslim world can legitimize their claim to Palestinian soil is to prove that they have a right to it through power. If the Jews keep beating the sh*t out of you guys you are weaker and do not deserve to have your claims recognized.

Nobody is going to listen to you if all you can do is shout "unfair".
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Reply #111 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 9:03pm
 
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The only way the Muslim world can legitimize their claim to Palestinian soil is to prove that they have a right to it through power.


This is correct.

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If the Jews keep beating the sh*t out of you guys you are weaker and do not deserve to have your claims recognized.


This is not.

The Muslims and Jews have never really faced one another. The mock wars of the 20th. century were all a facade, and Britain choreographed it all, leading the Arab armies herself.

As we can see now in Afghanistan, when actual Muslim forces fight, they can bring superpowers to their knees. In fact the only serious fighters in Palestine, like Abdullah Azzam, left Palestine and went to Afghanistan, realising it was futile being a pawn in the West's little facade-wars with the Jews and the puppet Arab leaders.

The Muslims are biding their time in Palestine, and will probably not re-take it until after the Caliphate is re-established.
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Reply #112 - Aug 18th, 2010 at 9:35pm
 
The Moslem world is able to inflict embarrassing defeats and wear down the forces of Occidental man so well because Occidental man is blinded by his own moral universalism. It is our own dedication to fairness, and the principle of "doing so would make us no better than you" that allows our Moslem foes, in the face of their obvious technological and numerical disadvantage, to persist with such resolution. This is not to say that you are not wrong to exploit our effeminate folly. However, the Jews are a different kettle of fish from us, whether you like it or not. And they are more than willing, using their intellectual, political and financial clout, to manipulate and draw other the leaders of other, powerful states, into this conflict.

I don't expect the state of Israel to persist. The Western powers in Europe will themselves be brought to the knees of the Muslim world -- not via the ak-47, but the panhandle, and the United States; a half negrified, half mexified husk of its former self, will break apart and fall into geopolitical irrelevance. Without its allies, it will be much easier for you to strike at the geographical heart of Judaism itself; Israel, and restore it to the contiguous soil of your holy land. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see the River Jordan foaming with much blood.
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Reply #113 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 8:05am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 18th, 2010 at 9:03pm:
The Muslims are biding their time in Palestine, and will probably not re-take it until after the Caliphate is re-established.


'until after the Caliphate is re-established' - is that Arabic for the never-never?
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Reply #114 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 8:07am
 
Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 8:05am:
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 18th, 2010 at 9:03pm:
The Muslims are biding their time in Palestine, and will probably not re-take it until after the Caliphate is re-established.


'until after the Caliphate is re-established' - is that Arabic for the never-never?

Please G-d !!
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Reply #115 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 8:23am
 
aikmann4 wrote on Aug 18th, 2010 at 9:35pm:
The Moslem world is able to inflict embarrassing defeats and wear down the forces of Occidental man so well because Occidental man is blinded by his own moral universalism. It is our own dedication to fairness, and the principle of "doing so would make us no better than you" that allows our Moslem foes, in the face of their obvious technological and numerical disadvantage, to persist with such resolution. This is not to say that you are not wrong to exploit our effeminate folly. However, the Jews are a different kettle of fish from us, whether you like it or not. And they are more than willing, using their intellectual, political and financial clout, to manipulate and draw other the leaders of other, powerful states, into this conflict.

I don't expect the state of Israel to persist. The Western powers in Europe will themselves be brought to the knees of the Muslim world -- not via the ak-47, but the panhandle, and the United States; a half negrified, half mexified husk of its former self, will break apart and fall into geopolitical irrelevance. Without its allies, it will be much easier for you to strike at the geographical heart of Judaism itself; Israel, and restore it to the contiguous soil of your holy land. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see the River Jordan foaming with much blood.


Thank you, Winston... or is it Enoch?

But in the larger scheme of things I don't think barbarians can destroy civilisation quite the way they could in the past. The biggest problem is that they are unable to remain barbarians. The attrractions of the zealots' scheme for the world is zero outside the 'zealot community'. The majority of the Muslim are not for Afghanistan or Pakistan as the model for their future. The non-muslim all know by now that islam as a politicalsystem is for the crazy an the disaffected only.
Another 50 years of textual criticism of the Koran and Islam will go the way of Buddhism - a refuge for western neurotics. The early signs are there already: only the disffected crazies are talking the idea of back to th future caliphate as a serious proposition. Its their version of the Fuhrer's 1000 year Reich. A dangerous but nevertheless crazy idea.



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Reply #116 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 8:31am
 
Abu's idea of a Caliphrate is obviously crazy, yeah, but I was specifically referring to another war in Israel, which is less crazy and more than likely. I don't see the Muslim world changing that much in the next fifty years. If demographic trends continue in the United States and Europe Israel will be alone, making me question whether it can continue to survive.
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Reply #117 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 8:35am
 
I hope you are right Soren, but I have huge doubts, by the way things are speeding along at the moment.
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Reply #118 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:04am
 
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'until after the Caliphate is re-established' - is that Arabic for the never-never?


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Another 50 years of textual criticism of the Koran and Islam will go the way of Buddhism - a refuge for western neurotics.


If the nonsense you quoted about Aramaic is any sign of your so called "textual criticism", then don't count on it  Grin

Islam is in the direct opposite direction of Buddhism, and you know it, that is what scares you... That it won't just sit down and become some new age spiritually-uplifting feel good thing.
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Reply #119 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:19am
 
We all know full well that Islam is the direct oppposite to Buddhism, that is what is so frightening

Buddhism believes in peace, calm and tranquility and Islam belives in death, destruction and chaos
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