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Jul 16th, 2010 at 7:14pm
 
Hm, It makes you think.

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Reply #1 - Jul 19th, 2010 at 7:47pm
 
No, actually it's NOT....it's against the 'Orthodox' Jewish Laws....

And that's all.....
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Reply #2 - Jul 20th, 2010 at 6:05pm
 
What's wrong athos...afraid to respond???
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Reply #3 - Jul 20th, 2010 at 9:43pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20th, 2010 at 6:05pm:
What's wrong athos...afraid to respond???


No I am not afraid, why should I be?
I just want to understand the difference between Orthodox Jewish law and other Jewish laws.
What I’ve seen so far Orthodox Jews look and sound as very kind and decent people.
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Reply #4 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 3:18pm
 
Athos, this is not that easy to explain.  I hope you can get it.

These Jewish men are Orthodox Jews, but only to their own creed.  This is NOT the normal run of the mill Judaism

During the 18th century, a number of extreme Jewish groups, grew in Germany  and a couple in Czechoslovakia.  These are the nut cases, that seem to be drawing attention to Judaism, for all the wrong reasons

They do follow Orthodox laws, but are extreme and interpret them to their own standards, which are not the normal Jewish laws.
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Reply #5 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 9:31pm
 
cockneydoll wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 3:18pm:
Athos, this is not that easy to explain.  I hope you can get it.

These Jewish men are Orthodox Jews, but only to their own creed.  This is NOT the normal run of the mill Judaism

During the 18th century, a number of extreme Jewish groups, grew in Germany  and a couple in Czechoslovakia.  These are the nut cases, that seem to be drawing attention to Judaism, for all the wrong reasons

They do follow Orthodox laws, but are extreme and interpret them to their own standards, which are not the normal Jewish laws.


I appreciate and probably can accept your explanation as long as another party can reply. It means it would be good to hear what they have to say in response to your opinion about them. Without that we can only make a subjective judgment based on one way communication which is not appropriate in this situation..
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Reply #6 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 9:57pm
 
It's not an opinion, it's fact. I am Jewish and I have a couple of these ultra Orthodox Jews in my family, though not as twisted mentally as these nuts.

The nuttiest of these groups the Neturei Karta, the ones that parade around with Mahmoud Ahmadinenjad, were on the verge of being ex-communicated.

Neturei Karta is Aramaic for "Guardians of the City" or "Guardians of the Gates." Others say it's Aramaic for "Nut Kases!"

They are a group of Ultra-Orthodox pseudo-Jewish heretics who reject all forms of Zionism and actively oppose the State of Israel. They have a membership of about 500 .However what they lack in numbers, they make up in enthusiasm and outrageous behavior. 

Even though these freaks may act as if they're raving lunatics, they may actually be quite sane for, in both words and actions, this cult-like flock of devotees really do believe they are doing God's work!

The Neturei Karta were originally set up as a splinter breakaway movement in 1938, mainly by fanatical ultra-Orthodox Hungarian Jews.  They are best known for marching arm in arm with Arafat and endorsing every anti-Israel terrorist and anti-Semite on the planet.

They also want Israel destroyed and don't care if a Second Holocaust takes place in order to achieve this  goal. Israel, they feel, should be wiped off the map for it should never have been re-established by man but, rather, by the Messiah when He finally does come. In more general terms they also hate Israel because so many of her Jews are secularists and some eat pork!

Neturei Karta is driven by intense hatred not only toward secularist Jews but for all orthodox and observant Jews who happen not to share its ideas. It openly calls for Israel to be destroyed and it quite visibly supports the worst genocidal anti-Semites on the planet from Arab terrorists from Fatah head, Yasir Arafat, and Hamas leader, Sheikh Yassin, to, more recently, Iran's worldwide Islamic terror funder and Holocaust denier, Mahmoud Ahmadinenjad.
In total number Neturei Karta may represent merely one-half of one percent of the total ultra-orthodox rabbinical community but they seem to get 99½% of all the attention when enemies of Israel look for "useful idiot" Jews to parade before the media! 

In the past few years, members of this extreme messianic movement have increased their involvement in anti-Israeli activities, participating in demonstrations calling for Israel's annihilation. This is precisely why Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of the Iranian Republic of Iran who has called for the annihilation of Israel, invited Neturei Karta spokesmen to his December 2006 Holocaust denial conference! It is also why so many anti-Israel, pro-"Palestinian," Holocaust-denying and other openly anti-Semitic internet websites feature, quote or refer to Neturei Karta!
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Reply #7 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 1:57pm
 
cockneydoll wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 9:57pm:
It's not an opinion, it's fact. I am Jewish and I have a couple of these ultra Orthodox Jews in my family, though not as twisted mentally as these nuts.

The nuttiest of these groups the Neturei Karta, the ones that parade around with Mahmoud Ahmadinenjad, were on the verge of being ex-communicated.

Neturei Karta is Aramaic for "Guardians of the City" or "Guardians of the Gates." Others say it's Aramaic for "Nut Kases!"

They are a group of Ultra-Orthodox pseudo-Jewish heretics who reject all forms of Zionism and actively oppose the State of Israel. They have a membership of about 500 .However what they lack in numbers, they make up in enthusiasm and outrageous behavior.  

Even though these freaks may act as if they're raving lunatics, they may actually be quite sane for, in both words and actions, this cult-like flock of devotees really do believe they are doing God's work!

The Neturei Karta were originally set up as a splinter breakaway movement in 1938, mainly by fanatical ultra-Orthodox Hungarian Jews.  They are best known for marching arm in arm with Arafat and endorsing every anti-Israel terrorist and anti-Semite on the planet.

They also want Israel destroyed and don't care if a Second Holocaust takes place in order to achieve this  goal. Israel, they feel, should be wiped off the map for it should never have been re-established by man but, rather, by the Messiah when He finally does come. In more general terms they also hate Israel because so many of her Jews are secularists and some eat pork!

Neturei Karta is driven by intense hatred not only toward secularist Jews but for all orthodox and observant Jews who happen not to share its ideas. It openly calls for Israel to be destroyed and it quite visibly supports the worst genocidal anti-Semites on the planet from Arab terrorists from Fatah head, Yasir Arafat, and Hamas leader, Sheikh Yassin, to, more recently, Iran's worldwide Islamic terror funder and Holocaust denier, Mahmoud Ahmadinenjad.
In total number Neturei Karta may represent merely one-half of one percent of the total ultra-orthodox rabbinical community but they seem to get 99½% of all the attention when enemies of Israel look for "useful idiot" Jews to parade before the media!  

In the past few years, members of this extreme messianic movement have increased their involvement in anti-Israeli activities, participating in demonstrations calling for Israel's annihilation. This is precisely why Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of the Iranian Republic of Iran who has called for the annihilation of Israel, invited Neturei Karta spokesmen to his December 2006 Holocaust denial conference! It is also why so many anti-Israel, pro-"Palestinian," Holocaust-denying and other openly anti-Semitic internet websites feature, quote or refer to Neturei Karta!


thanks for your explanation without insulting me.
You also sound as a descent man. As I understand Christianity is a continuation of Judaism, which is probably the most obvious in Coptic Orthodox Christian Church.
I can not understand how Arabs could be anti Semite when they are the same (Semitic) race as Jews, in other words I think that term anti Semite is an inappropriately used in many occasions.
If we exclude morality, I have high opinion about intelligence and capability of Jewish people to fit in any society and I think that others should learn that from them.

As far as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is concerned he also has Jewish background and I think he wanted desperately to cover up his Jewishness using loud anti Israel slogans.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6256173/Mahmoud-Ahmadi...

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Ahmadinejad showing papers during election.
It shows that his family's previous name was Jewish
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Reply #8 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 2:34pm
 
Specially for you buddy!

This film is a masterpiece made by well known Jewish film director.
If you haven’t watched before you can watch it now (don’t worry it’s in English).

http://www.56.com/u66/v_NTIzOTAxNTE.html
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Reply #9 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 2:56pm
 
athos wrote on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 1:57pm:
cockneydoll wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 9:57pm:
It's not an opinion, it's fact. I am Jewish and I have a couple of these ultra Orthodox Jews in my family, though not as twisted mentally as these nuts.

The nuttiest of these groups the Neturei Karta, the ones that parade around with Mahmoud Ahmadinenjad, were on the verge of being ex-communicated.

Neturei Karta is Aramaic for "Guardians of the City" or "Guardians of the Gates." Others say it's Aramaic for "Nut Kases!"

They are a group of Ultra-Orthodox pseudo-Jewish heretics who reject all forms of Zionism and actively oppose the State of Israel. They have a membership of about 500 .However what they lack in numbers, they make up in enthusiasm and outrageous behavior.  

Even though these freaks may act as if they're raving lunatics, they may actually be quite sane for, in both words and actions, this cult-like flock of devotees really do believe they are doing God's work!

The Neturei Karta were originally set up as a splinter breakaway movement in 1938, mainly by fanatical ultra-Orthodox Hungarian Jews.  They are best known for marching arm in arm with Arafat and endorsing every anti-Israel terrorist and anti-Semite on the planet.

They also want Israel destroyed and don't care if a Second Holocaust takes place in order to achieve this  goal. Israel, they feel, should be wiped off the map for it should never have been re-established by man but, rather, by the Messiah when He finally does come. In more general terms they also hate Israel because so many of her Jews are secularists and some eat pork!

Neturei Karta is driven by intense hatred not only toward secularist Jews but for all orthodox and observant Jews who happen not to share its ideas. It openly calls for Israel to be destroyed and it quite visibly supports the worst genocidal anti-Semites on the planet from Arab terrorists from Fatah head, Yasir Arafat, and Hamas leader, Sheikh Yassin, to, more recently, Iran's worldwide Islamic terror funder and Holocaust denier, Mahmoud Ahmadinenjad.
In total number Neturei Karta may represent merely one-half of one percent of the total ultra-orthodox rabbinical community but they seem to get 99½% of all the attention when enemies of Israel look for "useful idiot" Jews to parade before the media!  

In the past few years, members of this extreme messianic movement have increased their involvement in anti-Israeli activities, participating in demonstrations calling for Israel's annihilation. This is precisely why Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of the Iranian Republic of Iran who has called for the annihilation of Israel, invited Neturei Karta spokesmen to his December 2006 Holocaust denial conference! It is also why so many anti-Israel, pro-"Palestinian," Holocaust-denying and other openly anti-Semitic internet websites feature, quote or refer to Neturei Karta!


thanks for your explanation without insulting me.
You also sound as a descent man. As I understand Christianity is a continuation of Judaism, which is probably the most obvious in Coptic Orthodox Christian Church.
I can not understand how Arabs could be anti Semite when they are the same (Semitic) race as Jews, in other words I think that term anti Semite is an inappropriately used in many occasions.
If we exclude morality, I have high opinion about intelligence and capability of Jewish people to fit in any society and I think that others should learn that from them.

As far as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is concerned he also has Jewish background and I think he wanted desperately to cover up his Jewishness using loud anti Israel slogans.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6256173/Mahmoud-Ahmadi...

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01494/ahm_1494743f.jpg
Ahmadinejad showing papers during election.
It shows that his family's previous name was Jewish



Athos...the term 'anti-semitic' was NOT coined in relation to general racial group.....it had a specific meaning, other than Ethnology...

When it was first used, it was specifically used to mean 'jew-hating'...

Sometimes words have different meanings in general usage than they do in specific fields of scientific study...

And sometimes the meanings change.......'gay' used to mean happy and carefree...now it refers to homosexuality.

'Theory' in general usage means a vague speculation, something unproven....
In modern science the term "theory", or "scientific theory" is generally understood to refer to a proposed explanation of empirical phenomena, made in a way consistent with the scientific method.

Words and terms can mean very different things in different contexts..
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Reply #10 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 3:30pm
 
Athos, I think you have to stop reading the web sites you are reading. Talk about propaganda.

The false informati0on put out about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad  is a joke.
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Reply #11 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 8:16pm
 
I think you are confusing them with the anti-semitic jews sect.
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Reply #12 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 10:34am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 8:16pm:
I think you are confusing them with the anti-semitic jews sect.


I agree it’s very confusing.
I can understand that Germans and others can be anti-Semite but how come Arabs who are Semite or even Jews are also anti-Semite.
I agree it’s very confusing.
I can understand that Germans and others can be anti-Semite but how come Arabs who are Semite or even Jews are also anti-Semite.
It does not mean if you are a Semitic race you must be a Jew. It doesn’t even mean if you are a Jew that you automatically belong to Judaism, there are also Christian Jews.
It seams it goes down to personal level, like who ever disagree with you as a Zionist Jew he is an anti-Semite.



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Reply #13 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 11:03am
 
What's not to understand.. if you really want to that is?

Yes Arabs are Semites, but antisemitic does not mean anti-Arab. Thats' pretty clear.

While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"), and that has been its normal use since then

If you cannot understand that.........well !!
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Reply #14 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 12:41pm
 
athos wrote on Jul 23rd, 2010 at 10:34am:
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 8:16pm:
I think you are confusing them with the anti-semitic jews sect.


I agree it’s very confusing.
I can understand that Germans and others can be anti-Semite but how come Arabs who are Semite or even Jews are also anti-Semite.
It looks it goes down to personal level, like who ever disagree with you as a Jew he can be anti-Semite.
I agree it’s very confusing.
I can understand that Germans and others can be anti-Semite but how come Arabs who are Semite or even Jews are also anti-Semite.
It does not mean if you are a Semitic race you must be a Jew. It doesn’t even mean if you are a Jew that you automatically belong to Judaism, there are also Christian Jews.
It seams it goes down to personal level, like who ever disagree with you as a Zionist Jew he is an anti-Semite.






Gizmo has explained it, cockney has explained it - yet you are still stuck with (sticking to) the monomania you had at the very beginning. 

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If you cannot understand that.........well !!


Well... thick doesn't even begin to describe 'im...




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