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Re: Australian Greens' And The Federal Election
Reply #90 - Jul 20^th, 2010 at 8:48am

Oh mellie, you prove time and time again you have no idea princess.
Turnbull is a true liberal, if you were old enough to remember Menzies, holt or Gorton or Fraser you would know that Turnbull was one of them.
The lying little rodent changed the Libs from LIBERAL to conservative.
If Menzies were around today, he'd have to choose Labor, even though Labor are more right wing than Menzies, Holt, Gorton or Fraser

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Re: Australian Greens' And The Federal Election
Reply #92 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 6:34pm

skippy. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 8:48am:

Oh mellie, you prove time and time again you have no idea princess.
Turnbull is a true liberal, if you were old enough to remember Menzies, holt or Gorton or Fraser you would know that Turnbull was one of them.
The lying little rodent changed the Libs from LIBERAL to conservative.
If Menzies were around today, he'd have to choose Labor, even though Labor are more right wing than Menzies, Holt, Gorton or Fraser

I also like Turnbull for his economic rationalism. He was willing to do what is good for the economy, even if it was a tough sell to the electorate.

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Re: Australian Greens' And The Federal Election
Reply #94 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 6:43pm

mellie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2010 at 11:57pm:

I find it amusing how new green converts (ex-labor voters) who oppose Labors internet filter now intend on voting for the Greens, when we all know, (well, most of us anyway) that a vote for the greens is a vote for Labor, and it's internet filter.

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It depends on your preferences. You can make a vote for the Greens be a vote for whoever you want. Maybe even the Greens.

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Re: Australian Greens' And The Federal Election
Reply #95 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 6:47pm

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 6:43pm:

mellie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2010 at 11:57pm:

I find it amusing how new green converts (ex-labor voters) who oppose Labors internet filter now intend on voting for the Greens, when we all know, (well, most of us anyway) that a vote for the greens is a vote for Labor, and it's internet filter.

It depends on your preferences. You can make a vote for the Greens be a vote for whoever you want. Maybe even the Greens.

I hope you know that you cant give your second preference to the same party as your first. a greens vote IS a labor vote unless you vote different to the how-to-vote card - which most dont.

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Reply #96 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 6:50pm

Young Australians often opt for the green vote, this and are not taught how to vote prior to leaving school.

Many have no idea, this and just follow their how to vote card, this or go there to have their names marked off so as to not get fined.

Perhaps if our youth knew about the Greens-Labor partys intentions to Islamify their financial sector, this and introduce Sharia laws here in Australia, they might think twice.

Word of mouth is a powerful thing my friend, rest assured, Greens means heinz here in Australia and I for one will be ensuring young people know this too.

Are you Muslim Freediver, this and have set this board up to persuade Australians to vote left with their feet?

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Re: Australian Greens' And The Federal Election
Reply #97 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 6:52pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 6:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 6:43pm:

mellie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2010 at 11:57pm:

I find it amusing how new green converts (ex-labor voters) who oppose Labors internet filter now intend on voting for the Greens, when we all know, (well, most of us anyway) that a vote for the greens is a vote for Labor, and it's internet filter.

It depends on your preferences. You can make a vote for the Greens be a vote for whoever you want. Maybe even the Greens.

I hope you know that you cant give your second preference to the same party as your first. a greens vote IS a labor vote unless you vote different to the how-to-vote card - which most dont.

hmmm, if only there were a way around this problem. Any ideas?

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Re: Australian Greens' And The Federal Election
Reply #99 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 6:55pm

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 6:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 6:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 6:43pm:

mellie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2010 at 11:57pm:

I find it amusing how new green converts (ex-labor voters) who oppose Labors internet filter now intend on voting for the Greens, when we all know, (well, most of us anyway) that a vote for the greens is a vote for Labor, and it's internet filter.

It depends on your preferences. You can make a vote for the Greens be a vote for whoever you want. Maybe even the Greens.

I hope you know that you cant give your second preference to the same party as your first. a greens vote IS a labor vote unless you vote different to the how-to-vote card - which most dont.

hmmm, if only there were a way around this problem. Any ideas?

optional preferential voting - not available in the federal election. it might lower the labor seat count dramatically depending on how many greens voters are actually labor voters protesting as against greens voters who hate BOTH major parties.

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Re: Australian Greens' And The Federal Election
Reply #100 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 7:00pm

Or you could just fill out your preferences how you want.

Has it occured to you that many people might follow the how to vote cards because they agree with the rankings, at least the ones that end up counting? I can't imagbine a whole lot of green voters not considering it important enough to think about whether to Labor ahead of Liberal.

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Re: Australian Greens' And The Federal Election
Reply #101 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 7:04pm

Way out of this dilemma?

It's too late and too close to a federal election to scratch the preference system, (how to vote cards have already been printed)..now the only way is to bring about last minute awareness particularly those aged 17 - 30 age bracket.

Kids hate their greens until they are old enough to vote.

They think they are a environmentally conscious party who want to keep Australian beautiful and hug trees.

This and give them rights their more prudish parents oppose..

They are the perfect feel-good rebel party, for the very young and those who got trapped in a time warp (back in the 60's and 70's) who don't mind a bong now and again.

When I was at uni,(early 2000's) it was quite trendy to rebel against the leading partys, this and vote green.

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Re: Australian Greens' And The Federal Election
Reply #102 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 7:04pm

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 7:00pm:

Or you could just fill out your preferences how you want.

Has it occured to you that many people might follow the how to vote cards because they agree with the rankings, at least the ones that end up counting? I can't imagbine a whole lot of green voters not considering it important enough to think about whether to Labor ahead of Liberal.

That is naive. If you want to think that Greens voters are somehow more politically aware or adept than their major party equivalents then you are welcome to your delusion. the facts are that the vast majority of voters use how-to-vote cards to order their preferences. Greens voters are no different - especially those who vote Green from a genuine first preference rather than as a labor or liberal protest vote.

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Re: Australian Greens' And The Federal Election
Reply #103 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 7:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 7:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 7:00pm:

Or you could just fill out your preferences how you want.

Has it occured to you that many people might follow the how to vote cards because they agree with the rankings, at least the ones that end up counting? I can't imagbine a whole lot of green voters not considering it important enough to think about whether to Labor ahead of Liberal.

That is naive. If you want to think that Greens voters are somehow more politically aware or adept than their major party equivalents then you are welcome to your delusion. the facts are that the vast majority of voters use how-to-vote cards to order their preferences. Greens voters are no different - especially those who vote Green from a genuine first preference rather than as a labor or liberal protest vote.

I don't think they are 'more' adept. I honestly think most people are able to rank at least the 3 biggest parties without resorting to the how to vote cards. It's the independents, minors and lunatics that you don't know about.

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Re: Australian Greens' And The Federal Election
Reply #104 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 7:09pm

mellie wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 7:04pm:

Way out of this dilemma?

It's too late and too close to a federal election to scratch the preference system, (how to vote cards have already been printed)..now the only way is to bring about last minute awareness particularly those aged 17 - 30 age bracket.

Kids hate their greens until they are old enough to vote.

They think they are a environmentally conscious party who want to keep Australian beautiful and hug trees.

This and give them rights their more prudish parents oppose..

They are the perfect feel-good rebel party, for the very young and those who got trapped in a time warp (back in the 60's and 70's) who don't mind a bong now and again.

When I was at uni,(early 2000's) it was quite trendy to rebel against the leading partys, this and vote green.

There are plenty of options, but ditching rpeferential in favour of first past the post is not a good one. Preferential voting solves an enourmous problem that plagues fptp systems.

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