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Question: Who will you be voting for come election time?

Onyer Arse Abbott    
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Julia Gillard    
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Third party    
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Adolf Hitler (he's coming back)    
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Batman    
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Reply #60 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 4:35pm
 
I knew you couldn't back up your lies, liar.
You do know how stupid you look now dont you? you are so inept you need to lie to try and prove your point, typical rightard.
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Reply #61 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:06pm
 
skippy. wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 4:35pm:
I knew you couldn't back up your lies, liar.
You do know how stupid you look now dont you? you are so inept you need to lie to try and prove your point, typical rightard.


Your signature is a subjective statement unto itself, yes?

Do you often make baseless subjective statements, this and attack anyone who will dignify you with a response?
Cool

And do you not know the difference between an opinion and a lie?


I wasn't going to dignify your accusation and childish insults with a response,(proof) though for the benefit of others who may be curious as to whether youth unemployment is indeed worse under a Labor government, then read the following.
Feel free to compare with  ABS also if you will.

http://www.liberal.org.au/Latest-News/2010/04/08/Almost-6000-more-young-people-unemployed-Rudd-ignores-OECD-warnings.aspx

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Reply #62 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:11pm
 
skippy. wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 3:37pm:
She's backpedaled, but very sloppy, you wont get away with your lies that easy again.
Now if what you say is correct(I still require proof ) who's fault would that be? Howard in his twelve years did bugger all for youth employment, he even cut apprenticeships so much they just about became non existent,when Labor came into power they tried to address this but I notice Abbott is already saying if he is elected he will again cut training and apprenticeships for our youth.
Now, wheres your proof?


Almost 6000 more young people unemployed Rudd ignores OECD warnings

08/04/10

Youth unemployment rose almost 2 percentage points to almost 25 per cent in March, according to official figures out today.

Shadow Youth Minister Steven Ciobo said the sharp rise in the number of unemployed young Australians (aged 15 to 19) confirmed the Rudd Labor Government had failed to heed warnings by the world’s peak economic and social monitor on rises in Australia’s youth unemployment.

Mr Ciobo’s comments followed today’s release of figures showing the number of youth (aged 15-19) seeking full-time work increased by 5800 in March, an increase from 23.1 per cent to 24.9 per cent.

“The Rudd Government has clearly ignored the warning issued by the OECD last April which cautioned the government about the impact of its new workplace relations regime on youth unemployment in Australia,” Mr Ciobo said.

“The OECD sent a clear warning about the impact of its new workplace relations regime on entry-level wages for lower-skilled young Australians and, consequently, the potential for reducing demand for them in the workplace.

“Already we have seen reports of young Australians being pushed out of after-school jobs thanks to the Rudd Government’s new workplace regime.

“This was a classic case of a union-inspired scheme, driven by rigid ideology which leaves no room for flexibility and ends up leaving workers worse off.”
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Reply #63 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:11pm
 
You did not dignify him with a response millie, you kept sidestepping. You should have given baby his boddle!
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Reply #64 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:13pm
 
Thanks for the laugh but your proof please?
You need to realise if you come onto a political forum and make outrageous statements like " Youth unemployment is higher now than at any time since the 1960s" you need to provide proof.
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Yes I do, so how about we clear this up now? you admit you have no proof and your asertion was in fact just your opinion?
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Reply #65 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:17pm
 
Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:11pm:
You did not dignify him with a response millie, you kept sidestepping. You should have given baby his boddle!


Had he not been so rude and demanding, I would have gladly put the proof up earlier, however I'm a little defiant in this way, particularly where rude aggressive trolls are concerned.

Cool, All they had to do was ask politely.

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Reply #66 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:21pm
 
mellie wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:17pm:
Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:11pm:
You did not dignify him with a response millie, you kept sidestepping. You should have given baby his boddle!


Had he not been so rude and demanding, I would have gladly put the proof up earlier, however I'm a little defiant in this way, particularly where rude aggressive trolls are concerned.

Cool, All they had to do was ask politely.

Smiley

What proof? you really are joking ,right? the  Liberal party propa ganda site is not proof.
Where is yout proof?
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Reply #67 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:28pm
 
Lets see, is this a Labor lie?

Rudd overpromised on indigenous unemployment


by Professor Jon Altman and Dr Nicholas Biddle from the Australian National University
Yesterday, employment data for 2008 and 2009, the first two years of the Rudd government, were released. And the figures suggest that rather than delivering on their ‘closing the gap’ pledge, the Australian government might have exacerbated the expansion of the indigenous unemployment gap it has committed to halve.

In early 2008 the incoming Rudd government made its national apology to indigenous Australians and with rhetorical flourish the prime minister launched the Closing the Gap policy framework. This admirable document includes six statistical targets to either reduce or eliminate life expectancy, mortality rate, educational and employment gaps between indigenous and other Australians.

Quickly the Council of Australian Governments was coaxed to adopt this framework later incorporated into the National Indigenous Reform Agreement (Closing the Gap).

A key target is to halve the gap in employment outcomes between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians within a decade. This will require an estimated reduction in the gap in the employment rate (the employment/population ratio) from 24% to 12% through the creation of an estimated additional 100,000 jobs in 10 years, or 10,000 jobs each year. A neat indicative trajectory provided at Schedule G ‘Progress towards the Closing the Gap targets’ illustrates how this statistical outcome is to be achieved.

An early warning was provided to the government in April 2008 that trends from 1971 to 2006 showed that this goal was unrealistic and possibly unachievable; the warning was ignored.

The annual ABS publication, Labour Force Characteristics of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians: Estimates from the Labour Force Survey is the key instrument available to track the employment situation of indigenous people. Data is available annually going back to 2002, although the release for 2008 was delayed due to issues with benchmarking.

For a government that has committed to a managerial evidence-based approach to policy making the data released yesterday provides an early opportunity to use official statistics to gauge progress in closing the employment gap at the national level. The ABS is careful to warn that all labour force survey estimates are subject to sampling errors that require some caution in interpretation, hence our national focus.

Some headline information provides a damning indictment of the COAG strategy. Consider the following:
The unemployment rate rose substantially from 13.8% of the indigenous working-age population in 2007 to 18.1% in 2009
The employment/population ratio (the employment rate) fell from 50.4% in 2007 to 47.6% in 2009
The estimated number of indigenous people employed decreased from 163,200 in 2008 to 161,200 in 2009, a decline of 2,000
The gap in employment percentages between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians of  23 percentage points in 2007 increased to 24.4 percentage points in 2009
The increase in the gap in unemployment rates was even greater, growing from 9.6% in 2007 to 12.6% in 2009.

The indigenous sample in the labour force survey is relatively small. Apart from the rapid rise in the unemployment rate, it is difficult to tell with complete certainty whether the other differences are statistically significant. Indeed, due to cuts to the ABS’s budget ensuring statistical certainty has become more difficult, precisely when government accountability for indigenous outcomes is supposed to improve. What we can say with certainty is that the government is a long way short of the 10,000 additional jobs needed to be on track to halve the employment gap by 2018.

One might charitably blame the deterioration in indigenous employment on the global financial crisis, but such an explanation would at best be partial. In fact owing to the nation building and jobs plan of early 2009, non-indigenous employment levels have hardly deteriorated. Yet despite warnings that recently recruited indigenous people might warrant special assistance and be the first dismissed, the Australian government did nothing special for those arguably most vulnerable to the GFC.

Indeed, it is likely that through two of its own policy interventions the Australian government might have exacerbated the expansion of the employment gap.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/06/04/closing-the-gap-rudd-overpromised-on-indigenous-unemployment/

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So, it's not only non-indigenous Australian youth missing out on Jobs, it's some of our more vulnerable and disadvantaged members of the community also.

No wonder he was blubbering, just how embarrassing is this? ... Roll Eyes

This Labor party has made fools out of us all,  and itself, ......climategate affair, closing the gap, and project burn down the house with their failed insulation program.....then theres the education and health systems they have failed to reform, rather have made them worse.

Smiley Do they think we are simpletons or something?

That we cant tell our quality of life has deteriorated, for the majority of Australians.

And lets not even begin discussing utility, rent and housing prices....

Roll Eyes...cuts to bulk-billing GP's and after hours services..
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Reply #68 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:31pm
 
mellie wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:08am:
Sorry to have to tell you this, but youth unemployment figures haven't been this bad since the 1960's.




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Had he not been so rude and demanding, I would have gladly put the proof up earlier, however I'm a little defiant in this way, particularly where rude aggressive trolls are concerned.



You're still wrong. Youth unemployment was at 32% during the last recession.

http://nils.flinders.edu.au/assets/publications/Unemployment_in_Australia_2.pdf
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Reply #69 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:36pm
 
It was also higher in the 1980s and 90s, .

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Introduction The postwar boom of 1953-1974 in Australia, when a family could be supported on a single income, inflation was low, and unemployment rates varied between 1% and 5%, was the exception rather than the rule of 20th- century economic life. During every other period of this century between 6% and 10% of the workforce has been without a job.1
From 1966, when the Australian Bureau of Statistics began collating age-specific unemployment rates, until about the mid 1970s, younger and older age groups tended to have about the same unemployment rates, except for 15-19 year olds, whose rates have been consistently higher.2 From the mid 1970s, unemployment rates for people in their early 20s, and, by the 1980s, people in their late 20s to early 30s, also began to surpass those for older age groups; by the 1990s high unemployment affected also the oldest age groups (55 years), leaving those 35-54 years the least affected.2

High youth unemployment rates are not simply an artefact of the shrinking pool of 15-19 year olds in the labour market because of greater involvement in further education and training; the official rate in men aged 20-24 years also remains high (15% in July 1997).3

During the 1980s and 1990s unemployment in youth (15-24 years) approached 30%-35%, and in some parts of Australia, such as the Illawarra-Wollongong Statistical District in 1992, official male youth rates exceeded 40%

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/mar2/morrell/morrell.html
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Reply #70 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:38pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:31pm:
mellie wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:08am:
Sorry to have to tell you this, but youth unemployment figures haven't been this bad since the 1960's.




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Had he not been so rude and demanding, I would have gladly put the proof up earlier, however I'm a little defiant in this way, particularly where rude aggressive trolls are concerned.



You're still wrong. Youth unemployment was at 32% during the last recession.

http://nils.flinders.edu.au/assets/publications/Unemployment_in_Australia_2.pdf


Could you please cut and paste a portion ,eg,  title, author, date, of this document please annie, as the link wont work for me for some strange reason.

Thanx.

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Reply #71 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:45pm
 
Your proof is looking a bit sad there mellie, there are hundreds of links I could post if you wish?
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Reply #72 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:48pm
 
Look, Labor are historically known/renowned  for their pro-immigration "big Australia" ambitions, recall Golph Whitlem who was given the royal salute?

He lead the Labor party from 1972 to 1975....  which is pretty consistent with your referring to another youth unemployment crisis which occurred back in the 70's, and again, he was pro-immigration.

Perhaps Labor thought they'd get in first and sack Rudd themselves, before the Governor General stepped in again this time too?

Get the message....

Labor = immigration =  job shortages and slummery!

Liberal = a progressive sensible approach to economical management to ensure their commitments to social policy.

Labor are out for themselves...always have been under the guise of being there for the working class.

You only have to see how they treat each other and our more vulnerable, those less capable of defending themselves.

Youth, indigenous, disadvantaged persons, seeing a pattern here?



Roll Eyes Say nigh nigh to Gillard and mass immigration.

Because it's all about to end.

We are full!i

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Reply #73 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:53pm
 

Are you just going to go off on another little rant or admit you are either wrong or intentionally lied?
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Reply #74 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:55pm
 
Interesting how Labor have cut ABS funding too, don't you think?

  Wink Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil?

Dream on!

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