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Reply #555 - Dec 1st, 2011 at 2:14pm
 
Australia Home Approvals Plunge, Retail Sales Growth Weakens


Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Australian home-building approvals unexpectedly plunged in October and retail sales growth slowed, snapping the local currency’s three-day advance as investors raised bets the central bank will cut interest rates next week.

The number of permits granted to build or renovate houses and apartments fell 10.7 percent from September, when they dropped a revised 14.2 percent, the Bureau of Statistics said in Sydney today. None of the 20 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News predicted a decline. Retail sales in October gained 0.2 percent, half the increase economists estimated.

The reports add to signs that Europe’s debt crisis is weighing on Australian consumer sentiment even as a mining investment boom helps keep the nation’s unemployment rate near 5 percent. Reserve Bank Governor Glenn Stevens lowered the benchmark interest rate a month ago for the first time in 31 months, and money markets indicate an 86 percent chance he will ease again at a Dec. 6 meeting.

“There’s no doubt the consumer in Australia is finding it very difficult,” Bernie Brookes, chief executive officer of Melbourne-based Myer Holdings Ltd., the nation’s biggest department store chain, said in an interview today with Bloomberg Television. “A couple of rate cuts would certainly help our customers.”

Currency Declines
Australia’s dollar weakened after the reports. The currency traded at $1.0197 at 1:33 p.m. in Sydney from $1.0283 in New York yesterday, when it rallied 2.8 percent.

Building approvals in October fell 29.8 percent from a year earlier, the report showed, the steepest drop since January 2009 and more than twice the 14.4 percent decline economists predicted.

“It seems like a combination of households being a bit more cautious about how they spend their money combined with a little bit of economic uncertainty in terms of what’s happening globally,” said Ben Jarman, a Sydney-based economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Approvals to build private houses fell 7.5 percent to 7,042 in October from the previous month, the report showed. Approvals for apartments and renovations declined 16.8 percent to 3,241.

Department Store Sales
The retail report showed consumers spent 0.7 percent less at department stores in October, while spending on clothing and footwear rose 1.2 percent. A category that includes sporting goods, pharmaceuticals and newsstands dropped 0.4 percent, it showed.

Harvey Norman Holdings Ltd., Australia’s biggest electronics retailer, said in October that sales fell in the three months through Sept. 30. It cited the strength of the local currency and “intense competition” for the weakness.

Today’s reports contrast with other data this week that showed business investment jumped last quarter by the most in 15 years as the growth of mining projects accelerated.

Capital spending rose 12.3 percent from the three months through June, when it gained a revised 6.2 percent, a Bureau of Statistics report showed yesterday. The gain was the biggest since the second quarter of 1996 and was higher than all except one forecast among 20 economists in a Bloomberg News survey.

Demand from emerging nations including India and China, Australia’s biggest trading partner, is fueling the resource investment expansion. A survey today showed China’s manufacturing contracted for the first time since February 2009 as Europe’s crisis cut export demand.

China Manufacturing
The Purchasing Managers’ Index fell to 49.0 in November from 50.4 in October, the China Federation of Logistics and Purchasing said in a statement. The median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey of 18 economists was 49.8. A level above 50 indicates expansion.

“Overall, the data this week have been mixed and highlight the two-tier nature of the Australian economy,” said Su-Lin Ong, head of Australian economic and fixed-income strategy at RBC Capital Markets in Sydney.

Stevens reduced the nation’s benchmark interest rate to 4.5 percent from a developed-world high 4.75 percent on Nov. 1, the first reduction since April 2009.

Australia’s employment growth has weakened this year from a record in 2010 and the jobless rate climbed to 5.3 percent in August before declining in October, the first drop in seven months.

Earlier today, a private survey showed Australian manufacturing contracted for a fifth straight month in November as weakness in industries outside mining outweighed strength at companies tied to the surge in resource extraction.

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In the long term, it will be the Global Macro Economic factors that finally dictate the Global Economic activity & therefore the direction of the Global & local economy!

Given that those Macro factors are set & heading south, it strongly suggests that the Global & Local Economy will head in the similar direction.

Whilst government & Central Bank interventions can alter the course temporarily, they can not change the basic course of the great Economic river, that comes down to the Macro Factors, which as I said, are set & heading South!
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Reply #556 - Dec 2nd, 2011 at 11:37am
 
Concerns global investors will snub Australian banks


AUSTRALIA'S banking system faces "crucial challenges" in the coming year, with global investors to potentially snub the banks as funding costs climb and the world economy slows.

And the system is vulnerable to increases in unemployment and a contraction in bank lending as a consequence of Australia's high house prices and levels of household debt, according to ratings agency Moody's.


It has also warned that the health of the system likely hinges on "how severe and how protracted any contagion from the European sovereign crisis may be".

But Moody's has praised the stability of the local banks and says their balance sheets are far stronger than when investment bank Lehman Brothers collapsed in 2008.

Senior vice-president Patrick Winsbury said customer deposits had been "growing faster than loans as deleveraging continues, allowing the major banks to reduce their reliance on offshore wholesale funding".

Moody's is maintaining its stable outlook for the Australian banking system based on the strength of the banks' books and the domestic economy.

In a note to investors, it warned that the strength of the resources sector meant interest rates were likely to remain elevated and the Australian dollar strong even in the event of a crisis in other sectors.

"The longer-term structural changes associated with increased investment in the resource sector are likely to pressure certain industries and regions, keeping credit impairment levels above the extreme lows of the pre-crisis period," the note said.

Separately yesterday, a leading executive in the retail sector - one of the industries suffering most in the patchwork economy - warned of economic difficulties ahead.

Bunnings and Officeworks managing director John Gillam said another financial crises may be unfolding.

Speaking in Perth, Mr Gillam said he had a "funny feeling GFC wave two" was coming but said his company was prepared.


"In all my time I don't think we've ever been in better shape nor have we been hungrier," Mr Gillam said.

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Reply #557 - Dec 2nd, 2011 at 8:19pm
 
Economy Improving, but Job Growth Is Still Weak


Factories are producing more. Construction is growing. People are buying more cars. The holiday shopping season is off to a strong start.

Normally, all that would suggest a bright outlook for the economy. Problem is, employers still aren't hiring much, the number of people seeking unemployment benefits remains high and Europe's debt crisis poses a grave threat to the future.

Thursday's mixed economic picture came a day before the government will report on unemployment and job growth for November. That report is expected to show a modest net gain of 125,000 jobs, scarcely enough to keep up with population growth. The unemployment rate is projected to remain 9 percent.

Mark Vitner, an economist at Wells Fargo, suggested that employers are reluctant to hire freely because the U.S. economy's future appears hazy.

And any worsening of Europe's financial crisis could cause U.S. and European banks to cut back on lending and hoard cash. That would slow the economy.

Concerns about a credit crunch led the Federal Reserve and five other central banks to take coordinated action this week to lower the cost of dollar loans in Europe and elsewhere.

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As suggested in the article, IF the US jobs do manage to row by 125,000 in November, it will not even keep up with the US Population grow.

In fact, just to stay still would need around 150,000 jobs, IF there was nothing else unusual going on.

But, the fact is something unusual is going on, where US Baby Boomers are now reaching "official retirement age", at a rate of 10,000 per DAY, which is 300,000 per MONTH!

Given that fact, IF everything else was equal, then US Unemployment SHOULD BE DECLINING RAPIDLY, BUT IT ISN'T!

And that strongly suggests that everything else is not equal and that "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" and the USA and in Europe and a few other places!
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Reply #558 - Dec 3rd, 2011 at 10:35am
 
Jobless rate falls to over 2-year low of 8.6%


The U.S. economy created 120,000 jobs in November and the unemployment rate fell to 8.6%, its lowest level in more than two and a half years, the Labor Department said Friday.

The big drop in the jobless rate, which stood at 9.0% in October, stemmed mainly from a decline in the size of the labor force. Some 315,000 people stopped looking for jobs last month, which is usually not a good sign.


The U.S. economy has a long way to go, however, to get back to where it was before the 2007-2009 recession struck. The economy has 6 million fewer jobs now compared to November 2007.

As of last month, 5.7 million people have been without a job for more than six months. And the average length of unemployment rose to a record 40.9 weeks.


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As I indicated yesterday, in the following post, it takes a good 150,000 new jobs each month just for the US Employment market to stand still, that did not happen, AGAIN, so it is hardly good news.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1277536490/557#557

The fact that the Unemployment rate dropped by 0.4%, was due to some 315,000 people who stopped looking for work. That may be because the jobs are not there OR that the Baby Boomer retirements are starting to kick in?

Whichever of those 2 options, is the real reason, it is still not good news for the US market!

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Reply #559 - Dec 3rd, 2011 at 10:45am
 
Ever get the feeling you are posting to yourself PN?
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Reply #560 - Dec 3rd, 2011 at 11:25am
 
The Mighty US$

Last Report dated 05/11/2011

US$ Index (basket of Currencies):  @ 78.68 (Last Report - 76.91) (2010/06/04 - 87.85)
http://www.goldseek.com/quotes/charts/usdollar/usdollarindex24hour.php

Euro - US$: @ 1.3391 (Last Report - 1.3792) (2010/06/04 - 120.44)
AUD$ - US$: @ 1.0216 (Last Report - 1.0375) (2010/06/04 - 83.17)
AUD$ - GBP: @ 0.6548 (Last Report - 0.6473) (2010/06/04 - 57.04)
AUD$ - EURO:  @ 0.7629 (Last Report - 0.7526) (2010/06/04 - 69.06)
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/currencies/fxc.html

Gold - @ US$1,745.30 (Last Report - US$1,756.10) (2010/06/04 - $1,207.80)
Oil WTi -  @ US$100.96 (Last Report - US$94.26) (2011/03/19 US$101.01)  (2010/06/04 - $70.22)
BALTIC DRY INDEX (BDIY) - @ 1,866 (Down 42 @ Friday close) (Last Report – 1,817) (2010/06/04 - 3,844)
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=BDIY:IND

DOW @ 12,019 - (Down 0.61 @ Friday close) (Last Report - 11,983)  (2010/06/04 - 11,444)
ALL ORDS @  4,346 (Up 58 @ Wednesday close) (Last Report - 4,342) (2010/06/04 - 4,840)
SHANGHAI COMPOSITE @  2,360 (Down 26 @ Friday close) (Last Report - 2,528) (2010/06/04 - 2,553)
http://www.bloomberg.com/?b=0

Last 5 years DOW -
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI#chart3:symbol=

THERE was movement at the FED, for the word had passed around, That the US$ was an old Regret and its value had long since passed away
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Well, the VOLATILITY continues!  


In the month, since the last report -
The US$ index traded up to 80, then settled at 78.68, on Friday.
The Euro fell against the US$, settling at 1.3391, on Friday.
The OZ$ initially fell against everything, but then retraced to finish around last months marks or higher.
Gold continued its rollercoaster ride, but finished Friday about square with last month.
Oil (Wti) continued its recent rise, going from US94 last month, to US$101 on Friday, notwithstanding the rise in the purchasing power of the US$.  
The DOW continued its Schizophrenia, by going from an intra month high of 12,170, before declining some 939 points, to 11,231, then retracing back to 12,019 by month end last Friday.
The ALL Ords followed the US, like a lap dog, going from an intra month high of 4,406, before declining some 348 points, to 4,058, then retracing back to 4,346 by month end last Friday.
However, the SHANGHAI COMPOSITE broke back the wrong way, to decline during the month, to finish Friday at 2,360, down 168 from last month, thus reversing its October gains.

The Oil Price continued its recent rise, despite the rise in purchasing power of the US$, perhaps due to recognition of Supply related problems!

NOTE: Given the REAL, BASIC ECONOMIC FACTORS involved -
1) Declining Demand, due to Demographics (Baby Boomer Ageing & Job losses) and the Public anticipating a poor Economic future, due to Debt problems in the US & Europe.
2) Peak Energy & related issues.
3) Neither side of the Economic divide (Keynesians Vs Austrians) can magically solve the current Global Economic dilemma's.
4) Bernanke & the FED are Impotent, to make any real difference in the REAL ECONOMY.
5) Obama can not stimulate the US Economy, as US Debt is already far too high, so any possible stimulus measures can only be mild and that is, IF any measures can get past the Republicans & the Tea Party.

I would suggest that given these circumstances, equities will continue to be very volatile, amid an overall downward trend?

Good luck & watch the Debt!  
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Reply #561 - Dec 4th, 2011 at 10:59pm
 
qikvtec wrote on Dec 3rd, 2011 at 10:45am:
Ever get the feeling you are posting to yourself PN?


No, because I know that you are reading these posts!

Am I lucky OR WHAT?

Seriously, as I have said previously, I am here to provide an alternative set of information, to what comes from the media & the Pollies (on both sides).

And, I am doing that, because people are reading my posts, as you apparently do, even if only ocassionally!

I'm merely saying, to you and everyone else, there may be more possibilities than those espoused by the mainstream media & Pollies!

Whether you or anyone else overtly agrees with what I post, isn't particularly relevant, for me, because its every persons perogative to come to their own conclusions!


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Reply #562 - Dec 4th, 2011 at 11:08pm
 
I like your posts, Percy. Don't go changin'.
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Reply #563 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 5:33pm
 
George Osborne has no idea how to rescue the economy – but then who has?


Even for battle-hardened observers of the British economy, the landscape portrayed by last week's autumn statement was shocking. Now there is official acknowledgment that a country burdened by bank assets five times its GDP and chronically poor productivity is being dragged into the deepest and longest economic setback in modern times – with awesome implications.

Thus the continuing weakness in tax receipts that forces another £30bn of spending cuts if the government is to meet its self-imposed targets for budget balance, but two years later than planned. Thus the promise of decade-long austerity. Thus median incomes in real terms will be lower in 2015 than in 2002, the longest period of falling real incomes ever recorded. Thus more than 700,000 job losses in the public sector.

It could scarcely represent a bleaker picture. In the 1930s, Britain had an empire to fall back on as a protected market to help support recovery; in the 1970s, North Sea oil was to come to our rescue; in the 1990s, the great credit boom seemed to solve the economic question. Nothing like that is going to happen now. Britain has to answer the riddle about how to make its living in the world with no soft options – with a grossly unbalanced and underperforming economy.


Be sure that British civil society will not accept its grim fate as if nothing is happening. There will be organised and angry responses – and rightly. We are about to experience economic, social and political tectonic plates on the move.

What is going to make the years ahead doubly fraught is that the ideologies that used to provide the basis for our democratic discourse have been as torched as the economy. This is a first-order crisis to which socialism, certainly as conceived and practised over the past 100 years, is no plausible answer.

But equally, nobody can dare argue that the solution is to press ahead with yet more of the free-market capitalism that has laid Britain and the west so low. The simple-minded nostrums that have poured from the great American neocon thinktanks have been tried and found wanting. An ideological vacuum coincides with the most testing economic times for decades.

We need vision and visionaries – but what we have is journeymen espousing bankrupt world views.

Any prospectus for the future must have as its alpha and omega the answers to two coherent and related questions. The first is how risk is to be managed and shared – whether risk for companies and entrepreneurs that the business models on which their finances rest might collapse as a consequence of lack of demand, new technologies or new competition; or the risk for ordinary men and women of unemployment, ill health and financial hardship. The second is how opportunity is to be generated and capitalised on – whether to build new industries, how to ensure genuine social mobility.

What is needed now is for these truths to be understood and then addressed. This is a crisis of bad capitalism, a capitalism distorted by the ideological prattle that claims it is moral and efficient that all risk be borne individually. This is a world in which the rich get richer, the poor get poorer and everyone else can go hang.

But everyone else will not just go hang. They will ask ever harder questions about how reward and risk are distributed in our society.

The only way forward is a good capitalism that solves these hard questions, commits to investment and innovation and builds new institutions that share the risks of entrepreneurship and of life, led by an enterprising government with a bigger conception of its role than debt reduction.

It is a watershed moment. With sufficiently visionary leadership, it could mark a turning point; without it, decline could turn to rout.


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New answers, for new questions and a new age awaits!
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Reply #564 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 5:55pm
 
A Week Of Historic Economic Tragedy Ahead


Aristotle described tragedy as a story in which a protagonist with sympathetic traits, in the course of an earnest pursuit, proceeds inevitably towards a horrible fate. Typically, the protagonist possesses an innate flaw that he cannot escape. According to Aristotle, it is not the horrible end of the story itself, but the inevitability of the protagonist’s awful conclusion that bestows tragedy with its dramatic quality and endows it with its most intellectually and emotionally distinct feature as an art form.

In my estimation, Europe is pure tragedy, in this Aristotelian sense. European integration is a noble cause earnestly pursued by well-intentioned people all over the continent. The problem is that the European Union (EU), and the eurozone (EZ) in particular, are beset with certain fundamental foundational flaws that essentially sealed the experiment’s tragic fate from the beginning.

Exactly how the story plays out from here is mere details. However, a sad ending seems increasingly assured.

There are five main issues – wholly derivative of the fundamental flaws of the EU and EZ – that threaten to explode this noble experiment in the medium or even the short term.

1.    Recession. Deepening economic slow-downs and contractions in Europe virtually guarantee that nations such as Italy and Spain will not be able to meet their fiscal targets. As a result, non-compliant nations will be forced to ask for forbearance, while the creditor nations will refuse to finance further deficits. The resulting acrimony can tear the union apart.

2.    Austerity Policy. The demand by creditor nations that nations such as Spain, Portugal and Italy meet their fiscal targets via an ever-deepening austerity will only result in deeper recessions and ever-greater impossibility of meeting fiscal targets. The downward spiral of austerity and recession does not only pose an economic risk, it poses grave political risks as the citizens of nations that are forced to adopt austerity measures are subjected to severe hardship, thereby breeding resentment towards their fellow EZ partners.

3.    Credit Crunch. It is estimated that European banks must deleverage their balance sheets to the tune of 1.5-2.5 trillion euros over the next two years in order to comply with tightened capital requirements. As a result, a general credit retrenchment is currently underway as banks withdraw credit lines from individuals and businesses. The impacts of this retrenchment on growth in the next two years will be dramatic, making it entirely impossible that PIIGS will be able to meet budgetary commitments.

4.    Lack of Funding. Given that PIIGS and possibly other European nations will not be able to meet budgetary commitments, even more funding will be needed than is currently contemplated under the various bailout programs. The problem is that Europe has not been able to find any way to fund deficits under old projections, much less much higher deficits under newer and more realistic projections.

5.    Sovereignty Issues. As detailed here, national sovereignty issues are at the root of many of Europe’s current problems and these very issues could potentially catalyze the final unraveling of the euro experiment. The attempt by Germany to enforce austerity on PIIGS via a “fiscal union” is fraught with dangers that could explode at any moment. It is entirely possible that European leaders will not be able to reach a compromise to achieve a fiscal union given that a true fiscal union requires an unprecedented cession of national sovereignty. Even if they do reach an agreement, any politically viable compromise is likely to weaken the proposed fiscal union beyond credulity, thereby rendering the effort futile. Finally, attempts by supranational entities to enforce more austerity on already suffering populations could provoke open revolt and acrimonious confrontations amongst nations of the EZ.

Conclusion
The road to the EZ and EMU was paved with good intentions by good people. Unfortunately, a single currency in the context of a fiscal confederation is a design flaw that simply cannot be reconciled. The attempt to proceed with a monetary union on this basis was destined to fail, sooner or later.

What will be witnessed this week as Merkel and Sarkozy attempt to hammer out their proposals for fiscal union, and as frenzied diplomatic activity attempts to get all seventeen EZ nations to sign off to a Franco-German pact, is no less than one of the final acts in a great tragedy played out on a massive international stage.

Our collective sense of pathos will be great as we witness an unpredictable series of events unfold to their inevitable conclusion. As occurs with all great tragedies, the audience – financial markets participants, in the present case that concerns us – will be anxiously hoping for the best until the very end.

In the case of Europe, its monetary god (ECB) is weak and constrained, and unless those character traits suddenly change beyond recognition, any intervention by the ECB will only forestall the inevitable end for a short while.

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I don't know about the one week timeframe, but certainly Europe & the USA have a mountain of worry!

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Reply #565 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 6:06pm
 
Warning: U.S. Debt Crisis As Early As Next Month


Just as you thought it couldn't get any worse, here comes some more bad news. The United States government is about one month away from another debt crisis.

For the duration of last summer, the United States government was operating without knowing if it could raise funds in the bond market to finance the out-of-control budget deficit. The self-imposed (and farcical) debt ceiling had been breached on May 16th putting a halt to Treasury issuance. Until the debt ceiling was again raised on September 22, the US government resorted to short term "accounting adjustments" to stay afloat. Without the increased debt ceiling, the US government would have eventually been forced to choose between domestic spending and debt service payments.

While the economic crisis unfolded, US politicians tossed around political rhetoric as they jockeyed to be the 'bigger man' - just in time for the 2012 elections. Meanwhile, economists and market sages used phrases like "economic Armageddon" and "catastrophe" to describe the markets if the US could no longer pay its bills. Resolving the crisis, on September 22 the debt ceiling was raised to $15.194 trillion.

It now appears that the September 22 debt ceiling increase only bought the US government 3 months. As at December 1, 2011 the public debt subject to the debt ceiling limit hit $15.045 trillion. As shown in the chart below (by the yellow sliver) the US is a mere $149 billion from breaching the debt ceiling again.
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Does $149 billion sound like a lot of money? Well, it's not. The next chart below shows the monthly budget deficit for the US government over the past 36 months. Depending on which length of time you use, the average monthly deficit is between $104 billion and $110 billion. That means the debt ceiling will probably be breached as early as January 2012.
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Last summer, while the debt crisis certainly wasn't the only act in town, it sure took center stage with the European debt crisis providing backup vocals.

Today, the economic situation today is worse. The European debt emergency has spread, US growth may be slowing and China is looking rocky. This time around, another US debt ceiling crisis like the last could send world markets into cardiac arrest.


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As the article suggests, watching the Gold price, may prove indicative!

But again, timing is the great unknown!
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Reply #566 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 7:46pm
 
Keep posting perceptions, there are many of us that read without replying.

Sometimes what we read leaves us speechless. What can we say?


The USA will raise the debt ceiling to $25trillion or inject $25trillion into the economy. Either way it will freak out Wall Street. Is there another option? I mean they could go lower, but it won't last.

Next year will be interesting. I wonder if the US and the UK will still be telling Europe to get its house in order. They are both on shaky ground themselves.


And on the home front, I'm saying the Reserve Bank will leave interest rates as they are until February.
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Reply #567 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 8:21pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Dec 4th, 2011 at 10:59pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 3rd, 2011 at 10:45am:
Ever get the feeling you are posting to yourself PN?


No, because I know that you are reading these posts!

Am I lucky OR WHAT?

Seriously, as I have said previously, I am here to provide an alternative set of information, to what comes from the media & the Pollies (on both sides).

And, I am doing that, because people are reading my posts, as you apparently do, even if only ocassionally!

I'm merely saying, to you and everyone else, there may be more possibilities than those espoused by the mainstream media & Pollies!

Whether you or anyone else overtly agrees with what I post, isn't particularly relevant, for me, because its every persons perogative to come to their own conclusions!




The trouble is you just post the same old thing over and over and over and over, made only worse by the formatting.  You'd be kidding yourself if you thought I bothered to read anything past the first paragraph. 

PN, my only hope is you don't get around thinking about this crap on a daily basis.
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Reply #568 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 9:10pm
 
qikvtec wrote on Dec 5th, 2011 at 8:21pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Dec 4th, 2011 at 10:59pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 3rd, 2011 at 10:45am:
Ever get the feeling you are posting to yourself PN?


No, because I know that you are reading these posts!

Am I lucky OR WHAT?

Seriously, as I have said previously, I am here to provide an alternative set of information, to what comes from the media & the Pollies (on both sides).

And, I am doing that, because people are reading my posts, as you apparently do, even if only ocassionally!

I'm merely saying, to you and everyone else, there may be more possibilities than those espoused by the mainstream media & Pollies!

Whether you or anyone else overtly agrees with what I post, isn't particularly relevant, for me, because its every persons perogative to come to their own conclusions!




The trouble is you just post the same old thing over and over and over and over, made only worse by the formatting.  You'd be kidding yourself if you thought I bothered to read anything past the first paragraph.  

PN, my only hope is you don't get around thinking about this crap on a daily basis.


That's your perogative, qikvtec!
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Re: For the Record
Reply #569 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 9:35pm
 
Cover your shorts before you lose em.

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Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

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