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Reply #510 - Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:27pm
 
France and Germany ready to agree €2tn euro rescue fund


France and Germany have reached agreement to boost the eurozone's rescue fund to €2tn (£1.75tn) as part of a "comprehensive plan" to resolve the sovereign debt crisis, which this weekend's summit should endorse, EU diplomats said.

The growing confidence that a deal can be struck at this Sunday's crisis summit came amid signs of market pressure on France following the warning by the ratings agency Moody's that it might review the country's coveted AAA rating because of the cost of bailing out its banks and other members of the eurozone. The leaders of France and Germany hope to agree a deal that will assuage market uncertainties or, worse, volatility, in the run-up to the G20 summit in Cannes early next month.

France would now have to pay more than a percentage point – 114 basis points – over the price paid by Germany to borrow for 10 years as the gap between the two country's bond yields widened to their highest level since 1992.

The news cheered US investors. All the major stock markets surged, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average rising 250 points, or 2.2%, to 11,651, after earlier falling by 101 points earlier in the day.

Berlin had dampened down prospects of a full-scale deal, although EU diplomats close to the talks say the Franco-German agreement covers boosting the financial firewalls for eurozone members to withstand the threat of a "credit event" or sovereign debt default in weaker countries.

This takes two forms. First, the main bailout fund, the European financial stability facility, will be given additional levers enabling it to offer first-loss guarantees for bondholders, be they private or public. Senior diplomats say this will deliver a fivefold increase in the fund's firepower – giving it more than €2tn compared with the current €440bn lending capability. The EFSF will in effect become an insurer, thereby overcoming European Central Bank resistance to the idea of turning into a bank.

Second, Berlin and Paris have agreed that Europe's banks should be recapitalised to meet the 9% capital ratio that the European Banking Authority is demanding after its re-examination of the exposure levels of 60 to 70 "systemic" banks. The EBA has marked these exposures much closer to current market values.

Berlin and Paris are also said by those close to the negotiations to be edging nearer to agreeing on the increased scale of private sector involvement in the second rescue package (€109bn) for Greece. This was set at a voluntary 21% "haircut" in the July package but, under worsening overall economic conditions and a likely restructuring of Greek debt, Germany has been pushing for losses of up to 50%. France, backed by the ECB, has resisted the idea, while EU officials have clearly indicated that a range of 30 to 50% is being considered.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/18/france-and-germany-move-towards-2...
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This story reminds me of a scene from one of the Superman movies.

Lois Lane falls off a building and Superman, on seeing this, flies up & catches Lois, then says, "don't worry Lois, I've got you"!
Lois then looks down and says, "You've got me, BUT WHO'S GOT YOU?
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Reply #511 - Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:45pm
 
Monday will be time to sell again, I suppose.
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Reply #512 - Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:53pm
 
It's tricky, Muso. Will settlement go through by Thursday when it'll be time to buy again?
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Reply #513 - Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:37pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:53pm:
It's tricky, Muso. Will settlement go through by Thursday when it'll be time to buy again?


muso wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:45pm:
Monday will be time to sell again, I suppose.


Well, it's like this, I think I have a fair handle on the likely general direction of the Global Economy and Share markets, for the longer term and that must clearly head South, given the Macro factors at play in the Global Economy.

However, there are just too many Rumsfeld Unknowns & Unknowables, to pick the shorter term ups & downs!

For example, there are enormous short term risks currently circulating in the Global Economy, but irrationally Global markets have spiked upwards recently on rumours that all will be sorted out, which is not possible.

Will Monday go up or down? Will next week go up or down?
As I said, just too many unknowns, too many players pulling hidden strings, so I made a decision in late 2006 to exit the share markets.

Which meant that I haven't enjoyed the rises, but I wasn't hit with the falls either. However, over the period late 2006 to now, I have gained, whilst the market has lost overall, going from its October 2007 peak of 6,760 to its March 2009 low of 3,110, before rebounding to currently be at 4,100.

I also get some peace of mind knowing that when the markets retreat again to their Marh 2009 lows and perhaps lower, as seems likely, I won't be anywhere near as exposed, as many others!

We must all tread our own path, but what many refuse to recognise is that this is a new path, it has not been traversed before and much of what worked well on previous paths, may now simply get us into trouble!

Good luck & watch the Debt!


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Reply #514 - Oct 25th, 2011 at 11:16pm
 
2012: Reaching “Limits to Growth”?


It looks to me as though 2012 is likely to be a truly awful financial year, with several crises converging:

   
  • Either very high oil prices or recession,
  • The US governmental debt limit crisis,
  • The Euro crisis,
  • The Chinese debt problem,
  • Debt deleveraging in the US and elsewhere,
  • Further MENA (Middle East/North Africa) political problems, and
  • Conflict between need for greater resources and pollution issues.

It seems to me that we may be reaching “Limits to Growth”, as foretold in the book by the same name in 1972. The book modeled the consequences of a rapidly growing world population and finite resource supplies. A wide range of scenarios was tested, but the result in nearly all scenarios was overshoot and collapse, with the timing of collapse typically being in the 2010 to 2075 time period.

http://gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/limits-to-growth-forecast.pngw=448&h=415
Figure 1. Base scenario from 1972 “Limits to Growth”, printed using today’s graphics by Charles Hall and John Day in “Revisiting Limits to Growth After Peak Oil” http://www.esf.edu/efb/hall/2009-05Hall0327.pdf

The authors of Limits to Growth did not model the full interactions of the system. One element omitted was how debt would impact the system. Another item omitted was how prices for oil and other resources would affect the system.

If a person follows through the expected effects of high oil prices and debt, the financial system would appear to be the most vulnerable part of the system. The financial system would also appear to be what telegraphs problems from one part of the system to another. Unless a solution is found, failure of the financial system could ultimately bring down the whole system.

Background
Newspapers print endless articles about the need for economic growth, and the need for return to economic growth. But if economic growth really takes resources of some sort–coal, or oil or copper, or fresh water to produce goods and services–it stands to reason that at some point, the resources needed for economic growth will run short. This is especially true for resources that are used up when they are burned, like coal and oil.

Besides the issue of inadequate resources, growing pollution can also interfere with economic growth. As the world is filled with more people, and resources become shorter in supply, pollution becomes more of an issue. For example, we are now extracting natural gas using “fracking” near populated on the East Coast. If we had other options–extracting natural gas in less populated areas, or without fracking, we would be doing them instead. CO2 pollution is another example.

Logically, at some point we can expect to run into limits that are impossible to get around. One of these limits may be inadequate funds for investment in extraction of resources.

Logically, at some point we can expect to run into limits that are impossible to get around. One of these limits may be inadequate funds for investment in extraction of resources.

In the Limits to Growth model, investment is based on a number of factors, including the efficiency of the system (Figure 2). In some respects the efficiency of the system is growing–better technology. But in others, the “efficiency” is getting worse–declining Energy Return on Energy Invested (EROEI) for fossil fuels, and lower ore grades for mined minerals.

How would we know if investment in extraction of resources is inadequate? It seems to me, it would be through relatively flat production and rising prices (or high prices except when the major countries which are large users of the resource are in recession), and this is precisely what we are seeing for oil.

http://gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/world-oil-supply-including-biofuels-and-price.pngw=448&h=270
Figure 3. World oil supply (broadly defined, including biofuels and natural gas liquids) and Brent spot oil price per barrel. All data is from the US Energy Information Administration.



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Reply #515 - Oct 25th, 2011 at 11:17pm
 
2012: Reaching “Limits to Growth”? (Cont)


Figure 3 shows that even when all kinds of oil substitutes are included, oil supply has not risen enough to keep oil price flat since the 2003-2004 period.

In my view, what has happened since 2003-2004 is very similar to the effect a person might expect from Liebig’s Law of the Minimum, if oil is a necessary component of the economy, and high oil price signals that too little oil is reaching the system. In agricultural science, Liebig’s Law of the Minimum states that the amount of plant growth is governed not by the total resource available, but by the amount of input of the needed resource in least supply (for example, nitrogen, phosphorous, or potassium). In other words, it isn’t possible to substitute one type of fertilizer for another; similarly, it isn’t possible to substitute one energy product for another in the short term. Instead output contracts, if oil is too high-priced. In a way, this contraction might be seen as a dress rehearsal for the ultimate contraction which Limits to Growth models have suggested will eventually arrive.

I am sure that some would say that oil supply would need to actually decline, for there to be a problem. Since the Limits to Growth model does not look at resource prices, it does not consider this detail. It would seem to me that by the time world oil supply actually declines, the world may already be in a major recession, which does not allow prices to rise high enough to keep production up.

Connection with Debt
What relationship does debt have to the economy?

Economic growth enables debt, because in a growing economy, the greater amount of resources available at a later date make it much easier to repay debt with interest.

But higher oil prices tend to be associated with higher food prices. (See Figure 6, below.) When prices of oil and food rise, consumers (except for those making more money because of higher oil and food prices) tend to cut back on discretionary spending. This cut-back in spending leads to lay-offs and recession in discretionary segments of the economy. Some laid-off workers default on their debts,  and businesses scale back their plans for expansion, because of the “bad economy”.  As a result, they too need less debt.

So debt works well in a growing economy, but once an economy hits high oil prices and recession, debt works much less well. An economy has positive feed back loops from debt in a growing economy, but once oil limits (in terms of high prices) start to hit, feedback loops work in reverse–consumers and producers see less need for debt, and in fact, may default on past loans. Shrinking debt levels make it increasingly difficult for GDP to grow.

In my post The United States’ 65-Year Debt Bubble, I showed the following figure:
http://gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/us-non-governmental-debt_gdp.pngw=448&h=270
Figure 5. US Non-Governmental Debt, Divided by GDP, based on US Federal Reserve and US Bureau of Economic Analysis data.

Figure 5 indicates that for the entire period from 1945 to 2007, non-governmental debt was growing more rapidly than GDP, helping to ramp up GDP. The ratio was close to flat for 2007-2008, indicating non-governmental debt grew about a fast as GDP, and has been declining since. Looking at quarterly data, this decline has continued through the second quarter of 2011. This continued deleveraging makes it more difficult for the economy to grow.

If I am right that we are indeed hitting Limits to Growth, I would expect the deleveraging to continue, and would expect it to get worse, as oil supply gets tighter. The reason why oil supply and not some other resource is involved is because oil is the limit (of the many which we might hit) that we hit first. While there is plenty of oil in the ground, most of what is left is expensive-to-extract oil, because we removed the cheap-to-extract oil first.

Our problem now is different from our problem of high oil prices in the 1970s, because then our oil shortage was temporary, and we could add new inexpensive supply (Alaska, North Sea, and Mexico). Now we have few options, except expensive ones, which cause problems for economic growth.

Part of the problem with high oil price seems to be related to the fact that high oil permits low EROEI oil to be produced. In other words, with high price, it makes economic sense to use a high level of resources to extract the oil.  These resources include both resources used indirectly, such as for roads and ports and education, as well as direct expenditures. Clearly, it makes no economic sense to extract oil if the amount of energy required for extraction is greater than the amount produced. With high oil price, it appears likely that we are approaching this limit as well.

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Reply #516 - Oct 25th, 2011 at 11:21pm
 
2012: Reaching “Limits to Growth”? (Cont)


Prospects for 2012
We are heading into 2012 with many clouds over our heads. Oil supply is still tight, and prices are still high by historical standards. No country expects huge additional oil supply during 2012. We can pretty well guess that we will either have high oil prices or recession throughout 2012.

Many of the problems arising from high oil prices/recession in the 2008-2009 period still have still not gone away. Instead they have been transferred to the governmental sector. What has happened is that with recession, employment dropped, as did taxes collected by governments. At the same time, government expenditures rose, for bank bailouts, stimulus funds, and payments to the unemployed. This is true both in the United States and in many European countries who are importers of oil.

Now conditions are not much better, and are threatening to get worse, because of continued high oil prices. Governments already have high debt loads, but still need to bail out more banks and pay benefits to more unemployed. The United States is supposed to have a plan to solve its debt limits problem by November 23, and vote on it by December 23. Any cutback in benefits to unemployed or layoff of government workers is likely to make the recession worse; raising taxes is likely to have a similar effect. At the same time, there are still problems which have not really been addressed–for example, large amounts of “underwater” commercial property. Defaults on some of these debts are likely to lead to the need for more bank bailouts.

Problems with the Euro have been in the news a lot recently. The adverse factors (particularly high oil prices) causing the PIIGS to have financial difficulty are still in play, so the financial condition of these countries is not likely to improve; more likely it will get worse. It appears to me that the Euro has a high likelihood of “coming apart” in the next year, either partially or completely, because of debt defaults.  If countries go back to their pre-Euro currencies, it is not clear that other countries would want to trade with the defaulting countries, except on very disadvantageous terms.

China has been growing in recent years, but a lot of its growth is propped up by debt. Now, it is hitting headwinds–high oil prices, rising coal prices, and lower economic growth in countries that might buy its products. With less growth, China is likely to have debt default problems relating to the debt supporting its recent growth. All of these headwinds suggest that China’s growth rate may be scaled back greatly as well.

There is no guarantee that we are through the governmental problems in the MENA region. Getting rid of one leader does not guarantee that the new government will be a significant improvement over the previous one, so one revolution may be followed by another, or by civil war. The US is pulling out of Iraq, perhaps leading to greater instability there.

http://gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/food-and-oil-prices-tend-to-rise-together.pngw=448&h=270
Figure 6. Comparison of FAO Food Price Index and Brent Oil Price Index, since 2002.

MENA countries generally import a significant share of their food, and high oil prices usually lead to high food prices, because oil is used in the growing and transport of food. Because of these issues, we may see more riots in MENA countries, especially if oil/food prices rise further.

We are reaching limits in areas other than oil, and these may be problems as well. Fresh water is an issue that will become increasingly important. Pollution is another area where limits are being reached. Examples include hydraulic fracturing of wells in populated areas and conflict over EPA regulations relating to coal-fired power plants.

Impact of Omission of Debt and Prices in the Limits to Growth Model

Figure 1 clearly shows a tendency toward overshoot and collapse, based on the Limits to Growth model as it was originally created. The original model doesn’t consider the impact of debt or of resource prices. The omission of debt means that the model doesn’t consider the possibility of moving from an “increasing debt” situation to a “decreasing debt” situation. If such a change takes place about the time resource limits hit, a person would expect sharper peaks and faster declines to the modeled variables.

The omission of resource prices means that the model doesn’t pick up the interconnections between high prices for one resource, and a cut back on demand for other resources. If financial interconnections cause a shortage of one resource to lead to reduced demand for other resources, this may mean that substitution will not will work as well as some hope.

Nothing happens overnight with the world economy, so changes are likely to take place over a period of years. We can’t know exactly what the future will bring, but the handwriting on the wall is worrisome.

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Whilst the author has a good handle on many of the Macro issues, currently impacting Global events, I believe the impact of, on & by Population Growth & levels, may have been under-played.

It is THE over-arching Global Economic Driver and it is now likely to reach an earlier Peak, than was suggested in figure 1, with far reaching, historic ramifications!  
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Reply #517 - Oct 27th, 2011 at 8:58am
 
Sarkozy Said to Plan Plea to China for EU Fund


French President Nicolas Sarkozy plans to call Chinese leader Hu Jintao tomorrow to discuss China contributing to a fund European leaders may set up to bolster its debt-crisis fight, said a person familiar with the matter.

The investment vehicle was one of the options being considered by European leaders at a summit tonight to expand the reach of its 440 billion-euro ($612 billion) European Financial Stability Facility.

Sarkozy’s plea to his Chinese counterpart would come the day before a planned visit to Beijing by Klaus Regling, chief executive officer of the EFSF, to court investors.

The EFSF, established last year to sell bonds to finance loans for distressed euro nations, has since also gained the authority to buy sovereign bonds on the secondary and primary markets, offer credit lines to governments and recapitalize banks as the Greece-triggered debt troubles have spread. The EFSF said Regling’s visit to China this week is linked to the fund’s original debt-issuance role.

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So, after months of backroom haggling and years of inaction, is this Plan B, Europe  goes begging to the Chinese?

Is this the Plan that's seen the DOW rise by a thousand points?

More Importantly, why the hell would the Chinese want to throw "good money", after bad money?

Do the Europeans think the Chinese are stupid and they won't want guarantees, outside of "fiatfake money"?

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Reply #518 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 1:39pm
 
Dollar surges after Europe deal


The Australian dollar has surged the most in 16 months and global markets have soared in a massive relief rally after EU leaders agreed a deal to solve the euro zone debt crisis and data showed the US economy growing faster than expected.

The dollar is at $US1.0733, up from $US1.054 yesterday. The rally was more than 3 per cent in a day.

The Australian sharemarket, meanwhile, is set to build on its biggest monthly gain since 1988 following the eurozone debt deal prompted a flood of money into stocks worldwide.

"There is so much happening that can cause these big swings," said Sydney-based Rockford Capital director Derek Mumford, refering to fluctuating hopes and fears over the European and US economies - and even China - in recent months.

Mr Mumford says the dollar may hit $US1.10 provided the Reserve Bank does not cut interest rates on Melbourne Cup Day and then gives an indication that won't reduce rates soon.

In fact, the European deal in removing some uncertainty for investors may give the RBA even more reason to think twice about cutting rates on Tuesday, he said.

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In fact, the optimism creates by these European moves, may put the RBA in a "wait & see mode" and so delay any rate decrease, for a little longer?

For those travelers, the OZ$ has also risen on the cross rates and an OZ$ now buys €0.7523 and £0.6629.

All of which has seen the US$index decline to 75.03, after hitting a recent high of 80.00 and all of which has set the Oil Price moving higher to US$93.29 a barrel, after hitting a recent closing low of US$75.70 on October 4th.

Are we all inter-connected?
You can bet on it and that's exactly what is happening!          


For those interested in the OZ$ ups & downs -
http://chart.finance.yahoo.com/zs=AUDUSD%3dX&t=3m&q=l&l=on&z=l&a=v&p=s&lang=en-AU&region=AU
The above chart does not include today's rise to US$1.0733.
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Reply #519 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 10:57am
 
Watch out for China’s ‘freak’ economy


BOSTON (MarketWatch) — Forget Greece. Forget Italy. Forget “Occupy Wall Street.”

The really ominous news right now?

China.


It’s been the juggernaut carrying us all year. But Albert Edwards at SG Securities says the world’s second biggest economy is a “freak” and it’s starting to go berzerk.

Bad news.

What’s going wrong? How? Here are some troubling signs:

The housing bubble is finally bursting.

And we know how that story ends. Think: America, Ireland and half the West since about 2005. Think of Japan after 1990. Think of…well, every housing bubble in history.

The aftermath of a burst bubble is unmitigated disaster. That’s because housing affects everybody — middle-class families, developers, banks, local government. It’s the Spanish flu epidemic of real estate bubbles. There’s no containing it.

The bubble has been as big as any we’ve seen.

Massive high-rise real estate projects have erupted across the country in recent years. Visitors tell stories of giant, empty condo buildings — “ghost” cities. Prices in the major cities have skyrocketed. And newly middle-class investors have piled in.

They’ve never seen a housing bust. They assumed it will go on forever.

Ten years ago, homes in Shanghai sold for about six times an average family’s income. Today that’s 13 times. Shenzhen has gone from five times to 14 times. These are off-the-charts absurd ratios. This is a bona fide mania.

And it works fine until the music stops.


Where are we now?

Prices have started falling. Now, fewer than 46 of 70 major cities saw prices stall or decline in September, reports the National Statistical Bureau. As recently as January the number was just 10.

Analysts at DBS Vickers Securities say developers are now slashing prices to move unsold inventory, and they see a lot more to come in the next few months.

The credit bubble is imploding.

What would a housing bust be without a credit bust? This will be the mother of all implosions, too.

In the past two and a half years, China has witnessed a staggering credit bubble. Total lending has come to about $7.8 trillion.

To put this in context, that is twice the entire net government debts of the European so-called “PIIGS” — the troubled countries of Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain — put together.


An alarming report from Schroders said Chinese banking operates in a “twilight zone” of phony accounting and shadow money and it’s all coming apart. “Almost half of all credit creation in China is off balance sheet,” wrote the team at Schroders.

They think this situation could unravel “over the next three to six months,” producing a huge crisis with international implications. Most Chinese banks, they predict, will end up as “zombie banks.”

The canary in the coal mine might be the boom city of Wenzhou in the south. On a single day last month, nine company bosses all suddenly went on the lam to avoid bankruptcy. Nine on one day.

The stock market is signaling trouble.


It’s a mistake to assume the stock market is always correct, but generally speaking when it signals a downturn it does so pretty clearly.

And what it’s saying about China is alarming.

Chinese stock prices have slumped by 22% since July, says FactSet.

Albert Edwards at SG Securities warned that China’s long-running investment boom has no precedent and is bound to burst. “China is a ‘freak’ economy,” he wrote. “To my knowledge no other economy in history has experienced such high investment/GDP ratios and seen so many sequential years of strong investment growth.” The Asian tigers in the 1990s? Japan? Nothing comes close, says Edwards.

That boom has helped carry the world economy through the troubles of the past five years. What happens if it, too, ends?


Don’t ask.

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http://chart.finance.yahoo.com/zs=000001.SS&t=6m&q=l&l=on&z=l&a=v&p=s&lang=en-AU&region=AU


All may not be what it seems, in the land of the great Global Economic saviours?

That said, can I suggest, that similar applies elsewhere and what we really have now, is a giant game of "MUSICAL CHAIRS"?

LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS, WHEN THE MUSIC STOPS?  
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Reply #520 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 9:57am
 
The Mighty US$

Last Report dated 01/10/2011

US$ Index (basket of Currencies):  @ 76.91 (Last Report - 78.80) (2010/06/04 - 87.85)
http://www.goldseek.com/quotes/charts/usdollar/usdollarindex24hour.php

Euro - US$: @ 1.3792 (Last Report - 1.3388) (2010/06/04 - 120.44)
AUD$ - US$: @ 1.0375 (Last Report - 0.9662) (2010/06/04 - 83.17)
AUD$ - GBP: @ 0.6473 (Last Report - 0.6200) (2010/06/04 - 57.04)
AUD$ - EURO:  @ 0.7526 (Last Report - 0.7217) (2010/06/04 - 69.06)
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/currencies/fxc.html

Gold - @ US$1,756.10 (Last Report - US$1,622.30) (2010/06/04 - $1,207.80)
Oil WTi -  @ US$94.26 (Last Report - US$79.20) (2011/03/19 US$101.01)  (2010/06/04 - $70.22)
BALTIC DRY INDEX (BDIY) - @ 1,817 (Down 42 @ Friday close) (Last Report – 1,899) (2010/06/04 - 3,844)
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=BDIY:IND

DOW @ 11,983 - (Down 61 @ Friday close) (Last Report - 10,913)  (2010/06/04 - 11,444)
ALL ORDS @  4,342 (Up 105 @ Wednesday close) (Last Report - 4,070) (2010/06/04 - 4,840)
SHANGHAI COMPOSITE @  2,528 (Up 20 @ Friday close) (Last Report - 2,359) (2010/06/04 - 2,553)
http://www.bloomberg.com/?b=0

Last 5 years DOW -
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI#chart3:symbol=

THERE was movement at the FED, for the word had passed around, That the US$ was an old Regret and its value had long since passed away
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Well, the VOLATILITY continues!  


In the month, since the last report -
The US$ index traded in a range from 75-80
The Euro to the US$ traded in a range from 1.31-1.40
The OZ$ traded in a range from 0.953 to 1.07 against the US$, with similar wild fluctuations against the Euro & the GBP
Gold continued its rollercoaster ride.
Oil (Wti) traded in a range from US$76-US$94
The DOW traded in a range from 10,655 to 12,231
The ALL Ords traded in a range from 3,935 to 4,411
AND the SHANGHAI COMPOSITE finally broke its downward spiral to finish up at 2,528 yesterday, but only after trading as low as 2,317 during October.

The Oil Price is now likely to decline along with the Global Economy, for some time, before recommencing it's rise, due to Supply related problems!

DOW

Share markets after reaching mid year lows, as the DOW went from just under 9800 in July, to finish 2010 at 11,577.
The DOW Declined from 12,657 on July 9th, to 11,445 on August 6th, before hitting a recent low of 10,719 on August 10th and some wild recent fluctuations, due to the Eurpean situation, before finishing down 61 on Friday, at 11,983.
Given the basic Economic factors in play, I suspect the overall trend is still down & we are not yet anywhere close to a bottom.


ALL ORDS
The Australian market rose from just under 4,300 in July to finish 2010 at 4,847.
The All Ords Declined from 4,716 on July 9th, to 4,170 on August 6th, before hitting a recent low of 4057 on August 8th amid some wild swings, before finishing up 105 on Friday, at 4,342.
Following the US & Europe performances on Friday, it is likely that OZ will follow on Monday with another downward leg!
OZ, as with most other countries will follow the US and Europe, I therefore suspect that the All Ords is also no where close to a bottom.


SHANGHAI COMPOSITE
The Shanghai Composite finally ceased its downward trend, since April, 2011!
The Shanghai Composite finished up 20 on Friday, to close at 2,528.

NOTE: Given the REAL, BASIC ECONOMIC FACTORS involved -
1) Declining Demand, due to Demographics (Baby Boomer Ageing & Job losses) and the Public anticipating a poor Economic future, due to Debt problems in the US & Europe.
2) Peak Energy & related issues.
3) Neither side of the Economic divide (Keynesians Vs Austrians) can magically solve the current Global Economic dilemma's.
4) Bernanke & the FED are Impotent.
5) Obama can not stimulate the US Economy, as US Debt is already far too high, so any possible stimulus measures can only be mild and that is, IF any measures can get past the Republicans & the Tea Party.

I would suggest that given these circumstances, equities will continue to be very volatile, amid an overall downward trend?

Good luck & watch the Debt!  
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LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS, WHEN THE MUSIC STOPS?


The bombs start dropping????

You know when a handful of us starting talking about this in 2007, it seemed so far off back then. Just a short four years later, here we are. I only sort of half-heatedly believed it at first, always hoping in the back of my mind that somehow something would drag us out of it, which seemed possible on a few occasions, at least on the surface, if you didn't look too deep.

What did the G20 summit accomplish? they're having another meeting in February (I think) to nut out some other strategies, keep us in hope that they have the situation, if not under control, at least uppermost in their minds.

Sometimes I wish I was in denial like those other people because to have a pretty good idea of how bad it will get makes me feel vulnerable and uneasy, even though I have taken positive steps to protect myself from some of the fallout. It is scary because we don't really know what the repercussions will be until we're living them.

Anyway peoples, try to have as little debt as possible.
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Sometimes I wish I was in denial like those other people because to have a pretty good idea of how bad it will get makes me feel vulnerable and uneasy


Me too. I have a nice serve of grumpy to go too, which is a natural follow-on from vulnerability for me.

I'm not overly worried about my own personal financial situation, but I'm concerned about social breakdown. That's what makes me feel vulnerable.

There's something else, but I think I'll start another thread.
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Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 5th, 2011 at 12:25pm:
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Sometimes I wish I was in denial like those other people because to have a pretty good idea of how bad it will get makes me feel vulnerable and uneasy


Me too. I have a nice serve of grumpy to go too, which is a natural follow-on from vulnerability for me.

I'm not overly worried about my own personal financial situation, but I'm concerned about social breakdown. That's what makes me feel vulnerable.

There's something else, but I think I'll start another thread.




Yeah! start another thread Annie, I hope it's down here in the bowels of Ozpolitics, the 'others' don't venture into finance and economics too often, always a good place for sensible discussion. Hope your study is going well.
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Only 80K New Jobs, But Unemployment Rate Drops To 9.0%


Despite a slightly lower-than-expected 80K new jobs the unemployment rate declined from 9.1% to 9.0%.

The unemployment peak for the current cycle was 10.2% in October 2009. The chart here shows the pattern of unemployment, recessions and both the nominal and real (inflation-adjusted) price of the S&P Composite since 1948.

Unemployment is usually a lagging indicator that moves inversely with equity prices (top chart). Note the increasing peaks in unemployment in 1971, 1975 and 1982. The inverse pattern becomes clearer when viewed against real (inflation-adjusted) S&P Composite, with its successively lower bear market bottoms. The mirror relationship seems to be repeating itself with the current and previous bear markets.
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The second chart shows the unemployment rate for the civilian population unemployed 27 weeks and over. The October number is 3.8% - down from last month's 4.1%. This measure gives an alternative perspective on the relative severity of economic conditions. As we readily see, this metric remains significantly higher than the peak in 1983, which came six months after the broader measure topped out at 10.8%.
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The next chart is an overlay of the unemployment rate and the employment-population ratio. This is the ratio of the number of employed people to the total civilian population age 16 and over.
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The July 2011 ratio was a modern low of 58.1% - a level not seen since the 58.1% ratio of March 1953

The employment-population ratio will be interesting to watch going forward. The first wave of Boomers will be a downward force on this ratio. The oldest of them were eligible for early retirement when the Great Recession began, and the Boomer transition to retirement will accelerate over the next several years.

What is the average length of unemployment? As the next chart illustrates, we are perhaps seeing a paradigm shift - the result of global outsourcing and efficiencies of technology. The post-recession duration of unemployment has continued to rise, although the October 39.4 is off last month's all-time high of 40.5. It had approached a level nearly double the peak in 1983 following the 1981-82 recession.
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The last chart is one of my favorites from Bill McBride at Calculated Risk. It shows the job losses from the peak employment month since World War II. Note the addition of the dotted-line alternative for the current cycle, which shows unemployment excluding the temporary census hiring
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Link -
http://seekingalpha.com/article/305336-only-80k-new-jobs-but-unemployment-rate-d...
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A few observations -
One thing that can be observed in a few of these charts, is that THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT, as I have mentioned to various people, from time to time.
That can be confirmed, by looking at -
1) The Real Unemployment, which would be at least 13%, if not for the context of the massive Baby Boomer retirements, which have been some 10,000 per day, since the beginning of this year, in the US.
2) The Unemployed, over 27 weeks, as a % of the Civilian workforce, which is now considerably higher than at any other time, since 1948.
3) The Employment to total Population ratio, is now hovering around a low of 58% and is set to go much lower in coming years, as Baby Boomers are set to exit the US workforce,  at an average of 10,000 per day, for some 2 decades.
Many, if not most, will be exiting in expectation of receiving long promised government pensions.
However, that may not happen, given that current & past governments have usurped much of what had been allocated to pay these Pensions and used it to pay for past Deficits!
4) The average Unemployment duration is now much longer and is in fact almost double previous Recessions.

Clearly, there is no Recovery under way, given these facts!

But with the Employment to total Population ratio, set to continue falling, due to Boomer retirements and Peak Oil impacting events, this must increase the strain on government deficits and increase the likelihood of a continuing decline in the Publics disposal income, all of which will contribute to a decline in Demand for many products and thus guarantee that there will be no Recovery in the USA.

With a similar criteria applying in Europe and both the US & Europe up to their eyeballs in Debt, neither can fund the usual Keynesian  solutions and the Austrian solution will only place greater strains, by ensuring Demand dives even lower.

The return of the financial tsunami, in the US & Europe, will also flow thru to all other Global Economies, as product Demand diminishes!

Is THIS TIME DIFFERENT?
YES, you bet it is!
OR, should I say, THEY bet and it is!      
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