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Jun 20^th, 2010 at 2:25am

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You talk like atheism is some sort of religion when all it is, is just the refusal to accept silly fairy tales about Gods as being true.

You should take the consequences of religion very seriously because more people have died in the name of religion than any other cause.

I can't reply in "Islam" 'cause me and Mo are banned.

..Just wanted to say "Yeah good luck to you!" Get in the ring and battle out the logic. I'll be in your corner, but I'm too battled and bruised to take part atm Wink

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41823 Gender:	Re: Reply to thelastnail: Reply #1 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 2:57am i'm part of the elite crowd that are banned from there too.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Reply to thelastnail: Reply #2 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 3:08am Quote: i'm part of the elite crowd that are banned from there too. Maybe we could start a secular religion ...the writings may take some work though ..lol
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Reply to thelastnail: Reply #3 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 10:10am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2010 at 2:57am: i'm part of the elite crowd that are banned from there too. I'm not ...... yet
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Reply to thelastnail: Reply #4 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 10:10am Amadd wrote on Jun 20^th, 2010 at 3:08am: Quote: i'm part of the elite crowd that are banned from there too. Maybe we could start a secular religion ...the writings may take some work though ..lol Some forms of Buddhism and Jainism come close.
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Reply #5 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 10:18am

muso wrote on Jun 20^th, 2010 at 10:10am:

Amadd wrote on Jun 20^th, 2010 at 3:08am:

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i'm part of the elite crowd that are banned from there too.

Maybe we could start a secular religion

...the writings may take some work though ..lol

Some forms of Buddhism and Jainism come close.

I am not familiar with Jainism, however, if I was ever to choose to adopt any religion, it would most likely be Buddhism.

Unlike Christianity and other oppressive religions, Buddhist teachings are typically phrased in POSITIVE and empowering terms...

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 120396 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Reply to thelastnail: Reply #6 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 11:09am Why are people attracted to supernatural ideas? Religions are full of unproven nonsense. e.g. The doctrine of the infalliability of the Pope. It requires that he has a supernatural power of not making an error in judgment by some devine hand of God intervening in his decisions.
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Reply #7 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 11:17am

I don't get it either, Bobby - but I suspect that there is something particularly suggestible in the mind that gravitates towards organised religion and god-fearmongering...

That, and the fact that the concepts of our origins and mortality are way beyond the comprehension of most of us - and therefore that some seek comfort in simple (however untenable) explanations...

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Reply #8 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 11:21am

Equitist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2010 at 11:17am:

I don't get it either, Bobby - but I suspect that there is something particularly suggestible in the mind that gravitates towards organised religion and god-fearmongering...

That, and the fact that the concepts of our origins and mortality are way beyond the comprehension of most of us - and therefore that some seek comfort in simple (however untenable) explanations...

Carl Sagan sums it up better than I ever could:

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" Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof "

" For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. "

"Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense. "

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Reply to thelastnail: Reply #9 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 11:36am Yer, that's essentially what I was trying to say
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 120396 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Reply to thelastnail: Reply #10 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 12:52pm Equitist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2010 at 11:36am: Yer, that's essentially what I was trying to say Good old Carl Sagan. I wish more people were as wise as he was.
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Reply #11 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 1:54pm

"Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2010 at 12:52pm:

Equitist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2010 at 11:36am:

Yer, that's essentially what I was trying to say Kiss

Good old Carl Sagan.
I wish more people were as wise as he was.

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I think religion is used by people to explain what they don't understand...

It used to be a way to explain what caused thunderstorms.....'The gods do it'..

Now days it seems to be used by people as a life-line, sort of like 'even though my life sucks....there MUST be someone watching over me and my NEXT life will be better.."

It's a way of not taking responsibility or making an effort......

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 120396 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Reply to thelastnail: Reply #12 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 2:01pm Quote: Now days it seems to be used by people as a life-line, sort of like 'even though my life sucks....there MUST be someone watching over me and my NEXT life will be better.." And what do they expect they'll be doing when they die? Playing a harp on a cloud for the next trillion years?
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Reply to thelastnail: Reply #13 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 2:06pm Yeah , I suppose that is what they think....well the monotheistic ones anyway..(christian, judaism and islam).. I think some of the Eastern ones believe in reincarnation...
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Reply #14 - Jun 20^th, 2010 at 2:08pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2010 at 2:06pm:

Yeah , I suppose that is what they think....well the monotheistic ones anyway..(christian, judaism and islam)..

I think some of the Eastern ones believe in reincarnation...

Reincarnation is sort of true.
The atoms that make up your body are recycled & end up
in another living organism.

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